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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by [deleted] »

brymaster wrote: post #219
devindotcom wrote: post #203

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yes, and we would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!!

You're quick to dismiss but you games and tech "journalists" collude, push agendas and fail to recuse yourselves from conflicts of interest all the while seeing nothing wrong with that. https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/556905004632920064 Games "journalism" has always been a stones throw away from advertising and you all don't have an ethical bone in you. Basic journalistic values such as skeptical inquiry, c…

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Post by MrDom »

devindotcom wrote: post #211
devindotcom wrote: post #169

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It's naive and presumptuous. Have it your way, though.

It really isn't anything like what you describe, BgSpnners. You're deeply mistaken. That's as far as I care to pursue it.

Thank you for refusing to engage. You make the rest of us look so damned good. You disagree, but you won't say why? You say we're wrong, but won't say why? That's a good way to encourage open debate.

BTW: this guy is a journalist for TechCrunch. I only mention it because it explains why he doesn't want to actually debate the topic.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by MrDom »

devindotcom wrote: post #203
brymaster wrote: post #183

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> People have elaborated on it for months. It's so thoroughly discredited in every way that if you don't see it now, you're not going to. Consider it "unfairly maligned" if you want - no one cares any more. Oh the corrupt journos showed up. I wonder why. https://twitter.com/totalbiscuit/status/521737847758663680

yes, and we would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!!

You're not as far off as you think.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/17/exposed-the-secre...

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by pervycreeper »

smasuch wrote: post #212
pervycreeper wrote: post #178

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Those articles are just repeating the accusation without evidence. Also, I'm not sure why anyone would give any credence to information from those sources in the first place. I am astounded by the viciousness and mendacity of those who are determined to undermine 8chan at any cost. These people are essentially fighting for total corporate control of every corner of the internet, just because 8chan doesn't promote the…

If 8chan didn't keep calling the police on people, I think it would probably get a lot less heat. You can't claim to be all for free speech, then say it's okay to call the police on somebody who said something you didn't like.

>If 8chan didn't keep calling the police on people

8chan is actually not a person, and no evidence has been presented that a user of the site has done any such thing. I have noticed a couple of posters in this thread posting a gish-gallop of links (mostly from discredited sources) purporting to prove something, but one sees upon inspection that they in fact do nothing of the sort.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by NovaS1X »

ANTSANTS wrote: post #214
NovaS1X wrote: post #181

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>there is still a more than sufficient critical mass of people in the communities that have no other home on the internet that could keep the site going. This comment is exactly where my head is at and has been my connection with 4chan. I had a very rough time in my teens, and my mother and I moved to new cities or towns every year or two. It was hard to keep friends and consider a place home. 4chan was the constant…

I totally understand where you're coming from. 4chan was my refuge for a very long time through some tough times in my life, and 8chan is the only alternative I've used that captures the feeling of 4chan. I tried many other english "chans" over the years (7chan, 99chan, 420chan, the wakachan/iichan "network", the easymodo/warosu ghost boards, SAoVQ, etc), yet I didn't stick around with any of them. They had their own…

Haha, yep, I've been around for all of those other chans too.

I'm starting to browse 8chan alongside 4chan today and we will see where it goes.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by wpietri »

Crito wrote: post #127
wpietri wrote: post #71

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My guess is because 4chan was being used as an organizing nexus for a bunch of people widely seen as abusive and misogynist, and he just no longer wanted the headache. Years ago I worked on bianca.com (early community site; founded 1994, Webby 1997, closed in the dot-com bust), which had a similar unfettered-free-speech aspect to it. I feel a lot of sympathy here. Committing to publishing everything is one of those p…

> "My guess is because 4chan was being used as an organizing nexus for a bunch of people widely seen as abusive and misogynist, and he just no longer wanted the headache." If I operated 4chan and wanted to get the racists out of my hair, the last thing I'd do is ban mention of other sites they could go to besides 4chan. If mentioning 8chan gets them to leave 4chan for 8chan, then that's a win for me, right? My guess…

Sorry, I was answering the second question, "what about Gamergate, why is it taboo to discuss it?"

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by wpietri »

Crito wrote: post #132
x0x0 wrote: post #90

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That is, to be blunt, bullshit. Frederick doesn't let them do their thing; he actively enables it. That's significantly different. Comparisons to Hitchens are similarly misleading; there is a large difference between enabling vs not stopping. While I support eg the KKK or gamergate jerks' right to talk and organize, I'm damn well not helping pay for it.

What is the line between "enabling" and "not stopping"? When the ACLU spends money defending the KKK's first amendment rights in court, are they enabling the KKK, or merely not stopping them?

I think there's a big difference between defending a principle, which is what the ACLU does, and active support of awfulness. The ACLU is just making sure the government won't stop the KKK from printing leaflets if they want to. The ACLU definitely isn't printing and distributing anything the KKK asks.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by Crito »

wpietri wrote: post #237
Crito wrote: post #132

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What is the line between "enabling" and "not stopping"? When the ACLU spends money defending the KKK's first amendment rights in court, are they enabling the KKK, or merely not stopping them?

I think there's a big difference between defending a principle, which is what the ACLU does, and active support of awfulness. The ACLU is just making sure the government won't stop the KKK from printing leaflets if they want to. The ACLU definitely isn't printing and distributing anything the KKK asks.

I more or less agree. I often ask this particular question because I find that many people disagree with us, or have not given the matter any serious thought.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by vinalia »

vertex-four wrote: post #161
ANTSANTS wrote: post #102

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A guy that has been using 4chan and other anonymous messageboards since he was 12 acts and thinks like a 4chan user. What a shock. I know it's not the same to you, but if you look at the top 15 boards on 8chan, that list includes a board that Fredrick likely has no interest in (gay porn), boards full of users that he probably disagrees strongly with (/leftypol/, a left wing version of /pol/, and /christian/, iirc he…

If you own a media site (or, let's say, a newspaper), you're very much responsible for what's on it. If you believe in free speech to the point that you'll publish anything anyone wants to say to your audience, then you're very much enabling them and responsible for anything that happens as a result of publishing that.

If you want to create an analogy, I think chans are more like user group meetings that happen in public spaces (e.g. a public park). Nobody would kick members out of the park because they heard that they're pro-ISIS (that's just their opinion). However, display of illegal content or illegal actions would get members removed via someone calling the cops. Off topic comments that detract from the spirit of the group could also get members suspended or kicked out of the group permanently.

Is it up to park police to monitor the user groups? Sure, but they cannot take action unless it violates the law.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by devindotcom »

MrDom wrote: post #232
devindotcom wrote: post #211

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It really isn't anything like what you describe, BgSpnners. You're deeply mistaken. That's as far as I care to pursue it.

Thank you for refusing to engage. You make the rest of us look so damned good. You disagree, but you won't say why? You say we're wrong, but won't say why? That's a good way to encourage open debate. BTW: this guy is a journalist for TechCrunch. I only mention it because it explains why he doesn't want to actually debate the topic.

Actually, I write for NBC News mainly. I only do columns now and then for TC. Neither of those things has any bearing on me 'refusing to engage.' I really just don't care to (though I didn't want the TC allegation to go unanswered, not that anyone's listening). But I know you'll choose to believe what best advances your existing prejudice. Be my guest.
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