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Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #180

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I still don't see what one has to do with the other(s). Besides, go browse through SO's unanswered questions; this is the state of things today! Simple questions, the most common variety, get answers in minutes. The complex and/or specialized questions which cannot easily be answered by a large portion of the userbase tend to languish.

Indeed. The result is that SO is a lot less useful than it used to be. I have repeatedly found myself chasing an obscure error message only to dead-end on SO and be forced to backtrack.

I've had that happen repeatedly as well, both now and "back in the day". I have no idea if a higher or lower proportion of the tougher questions are being answered now than they "used to be", but my sense is that it is about the same. The tougher questions are just tougher to answer; that hasn't changed through time. What I do know for sure is that a much higher proportion of easy questions can be answered by searching google and following one of the first few SO links, which is valuable.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #156

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That's a fair point. It's not my motivation for being active, but I assume it is for most, and it is an effective carrot. I would just like the balance to be tipped a little back in the direction of the consumers of the site. I'm not suggesting we leave obviously terrible questions open, it's the borderline posts that get me. Interesting questions which may not have a black and white answer, but would still encourage…

That gets into sticky moderation issues. My experience moderating support fora is that no matter how or where you draw the line, there's always a grey area. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and there's always going to be something that seems like a reasonable except that gets cut. I suspect that SOs answer to your need is "Go use a different site". At some point, that becomes a reasonable answer.

It is a reasonable answer, but the reason many people don't find the "go use a different site" answer satisfying is that sites on the internet have network effects that make switching untenable, so it makes more sense to stay and debate the point. Which is also reasonable.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #125
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Post a technical question about how to make your single page application crawlable, if it includes the word "SEO", there are great chances it will be closed. Some examples: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21044302/make-ajax-loaded... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26298780/how-to-make-ajax... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14887710/ajax-deep-linkin... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21785074/seo-with-si…

"how can you get the most SEO results out of a one page website" "Is there any way to dynamic generate content without affecting search engine indexing and ranking" "Is there anything I can do to make google crawl my website" "Is it safe to pre-load 4 website into one page without search engines interpreting it as misleading" If you are a programmer who do not work at google, it is impossible to answer. If a co-worke…

Irony alert: StackOverflows has amazing SEO.

And I consider Google+SO the best programming tool ever created.

wrt Closed Questions, simple heuristic - if the page has lots of visits, lots of upvotes and is high in google for common searches do not close the topic. Clearly there exists a market for this question for many people, even if it boggles super-users' sensibilities.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #188
post #95

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Post a technical question about how to make your single page application crawlable, if it includes the word "SEO", there are great chances it will be closed. Some examples: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21044302/make-ajax-loaded... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26298780/how-to-make-ajax... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14887710/ajax-deep-linkin... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21785074/seo-with-si…

Maybe I'm just off-base, but I'd consider all of those off-topic for SO. It's not a programming or programming tools question, it's a "how does Googlebot work?" question. The knowledge would certainly be useful to many people, but it is outside of SO's scope as it is defined.

Don't you think that implementing the Google crawling scheme [1] (i.e. returning a snapshot of an Ajax application) is a programming or programming tools question?

[1] https://developers.google.com/webmasters/ajax-crawling/docs/...

(edit: typo)

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #179
post #167

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I get your argument, but it sounds like a weak version of the claim that there is a strict ordering of priorities in the world and that only the top priority should ever be worked on. Heck, even if the site was only for "novel" questions, according to your logic, only the most important unanswered question should be visible, until it is answered. Otherwise people might be incentivized to answer the second most import…

The attention of users is a limited resource. Demands on it must be balanced against one another.

Then do you agree that only the single most important unanswered question should be visible at any given time?

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

#196
post #180

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I still don't see what one has to do with the other(s). Besides, go browse through SO's unanswered questions; this is the state of things today! Simple questions, the most common variety, get answers in minutes. The complex and/or specialized questions which cannot easily be answered by a large portion of the userbase tend to languish.

Indeed. The result is that SO is a lot less useful than it used to be. I have repeatedly found myself chasing an obscure error message only to dead-end on SO and be forced to backtrack.

While I've experienced something similar too, I think it may have more to do with the fact that tech has diversified in the absolute sense. An obsecure question about your processor was easily answered in the past because everyone had tinkered with it. Today a question about a bolted-on feature in might not receive an answer because so little experts on SO use it.(?) I've got no clue if this explains it, but it makes more sense to me than the idea that SO's attention/incentive span is so short that users are only spending time on 5-minutes-typing questions.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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I have basically zero imagination about big dollar numbers, but I just don't see what they are going to do with $40,000,000 that would generate more than $40,000,000 in value. Without that context, I have no way of seeing this as anything other than a "bubble" investment, even in a pretty awesome product/team.

It's easier than emit obligation on the market, I guess.

See it as a long-term shot. No doubt that 40M in recruitment will pay if the SO team continue to be half as good as they seems to be today (which is one of the challenges).

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #29

Doesn't surprise me considering how much I use Stack Overflow. I also have a lot of respect for Joel--I don't actually know much about him but from his blog posts he seems like a very decent guy.

He's my boss, so I'm super biased , but I can still share a primary-source perspective. I knew him for years before working here, and would say that both as a manager and a general human being, he's one of the genuinely best people I've ever known. From when he started Fogcreek, his and Michael's whole philosophy was to create an environment and mission that makes smart people actually love working there , and then g…

As a startup entrepreneur which don't doubt about success and growth -- how could I ? ;) -- I am very interested in the work invested by the whole team in a sane and enjoyable workspace.

What are the trade-offs ? I always feel like only the exceptional rich companies can sustain such high standard of living, the same rich which will respond that it's the only way for keeping an healthy work in the end.

Seems like a never ending chicken and egg problem that I don't have time to solve, I have hard deadlines to manage... (it's slightly exaggerated, of course, but you got the picture)

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #145

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They don't have much value to Stack Overflow, obviously, otherwise they would have remained opened and been voted up on Stack Overflow.

I think the point is these often are upvoted questions[1] with thought out answers. In fairness, I would argue the question I just referenced doesn't "belong" on SO as it's pretty clearly based in opinion. But if I Google "simple django rich text editor" and this is the first result, I would argue it does bring value to SO by bringing me onto the site. [1] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4674609/looking-for-a-ric.…

Yup.

Having strict moderation standards is SO's business. I may or may not agree, but it seems to work for them.

Leaving closed questions, particularly those without answers, on their site sucking up google juice and deceptively appearing in my search results is scummy. If they don't want it on their site, they should ask google not to crawl it. And that goes squared when the question doesn't have an answer.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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StackOverflow has saved my bacon more than a few times, so good for Joel and the gang, they provided an invaluable service to the development community. However, I feel like StackExchange needs to get its priorities into check.

Unbeknown to some, there are tonnes of StackExchange Q&A sites. Picked on Area 51 and then voted up by the community. Many start with good intentions, but lose steam and never make it to a fully-fledged Q&A site because they didn't meet the minimum requirements (the Startups StackExchange is a good example of this). There is literally a StackExchange site for every single niche; cooking, scepticism, music, science fiction, mathematics, database administration, Apple products, web services, Wordpress and tonnes more.

You have to ask yourself, are a lot of these individual Q&A sites simply using unnecessary server resources when they're probably being carried and offset by StackOverflow's advertising revenue? I would love to see StackExchange go down the path of focusing on programmers more than I would cooking or mathematics. I contribute to a lot of individual StackExchange sites, mostly the Wordpress one.

Reading the about page seems to highlight that not even StackExchange themselves know what they want to be or the fact they target a wide range of niches.

Stack Exchange is the largest network of websites for software developers including Stack Overflow, the pre-eminent destination site for programmers to find, ask, and answer their questions.

This statement seems to indicate they focus on catering to developers, but going through the list of over 100 StackExchange Q&A sites yields sites for niches like; marketing, mathematics, cooking, science fiction, gaming, DIY, Apple software/hardware, electrical engineering and tonnes more. I would say a few sites relate to programming, but many do not.

Then there is the issue of overzealous moderators (mostly on StackOverflow). How many times have you Googled a problem, SO comes up as the first result, you click it and the question has a few hundred, sometimes a few thousand upvotes and it has been closed? Happens to me quite a lot. I see questions being closed as duplicates when they're in fact not duplicates and were closed because the mod simply lacked the understanding of what was being asked. Questions closely related to a duplicate often get closed as a duplicate and once a question has been "moderated" it rarely ever gets re-opened.

The issue is in part with the points/badges system. You have an imbalance of power. It is virtually impossible for a new user to get high enough to make even a subtle difference to SO. Those at the top want to keep their spot, unfortunately many of the moderators are a little too click happy. Instead of the site feeling like a community moderated website, you have these select few power users telling us what is right or wrong (especially evident by the fact of high ranking Google results leading to closed questions).

Things have been broken for a very long time on SO and I hope the investment means they can try and address the problems (which they must be aware of).

Don't get me wrong, StackExchange have provided a beyond invaluable service, but the arrogance, overzealous moderators and often confusing policies/rules around the kind of questions you can ask/how you can ask them really deters me from participating. My involvement with SO these days is read only, because I don't want to get dragged into all of the politics of the site and the power users who control it.

Seems to me this could be a problem for SO in the future if people like myself are deterred from answering because they don't feel like their contribution will be accepted or will be heavily criticised.

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