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Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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....why?

Most comments should end up as an edit to the question or answer, clarifying some point, at which point they can be removed. The Question and Answer are the important things on Stack Overflow, not the communication that went into creating and tuning them. The remaining comments are just fluff, such as "thanks", which can more appropriately (for the site) be expressed as an upvote or accept. Or they're asking a new qu…

This culture doesn't really invite towards answers improving over the years as more and more people who might know more happen to come across them.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

#182
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I often ask a question on Google, get taken to a Stack Exchange site, and find that yes, they have my question, but some moderator closed it before it got answered. SE got my traffic, but I didn't get my answer. Isn't that broken?

Yes, I've run into this problem regularly.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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I hope that at some point Google starts pruning away closed SO questions from its index. That will give the user a better search experience.

I hope that they don't. In fact, that's the worst thing they could do. I have gotten a _lot_ of value from closed SO questions that were high ranked in my Google search results. I don't know what that says about SO's flagging system, but it is what it is, I guess.

> I have gotten a _lot_ of value from closed SO questions that were high ranked in my Google search results.

Too bad for you, it just takes an overzealous moderator to remove a closed question that many people find valuable.

Your best bet is to bookmark the question and trigger archive.org's crawler via the "Save Page Now" form: https://archive.org/web/

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #35
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I often ask a question on Google, get taken to a Stack Exchange site, and find that yes, they have my question, but some moderator closed it before it got answered. SE got my traffic, but I didn't get my answer. Isn't that broken?

Yeah I feel that they are overzealous in closing useful (to me) questions, but its hard to know what the site would be like if they let discussions go--perhaps it would make it a lot more difficult to find the answer you're looking for.

Because so many questions I've found useful were closed, it has had a chilling effect on my desire to ask questions there. I used to ask questions regularly at the beginning.

But now, I feel like my question is probably going to be flagged, so why bother.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #105

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It matters because people respond to incentives. If what you want to see encouraged is good answers to novel questions, you need a system that rewards that over copy-pasting from documentation. What do you think happens when the two are rewarded equally, but the latter can be done much more frequently per unit of time?

Isn't the incentive to answer those kinds of questions mostly intrinsic? I mean, the interesting questions and answers are more likely to be given exactly because they are so. The extrinsic reward is then complementarily useful for the opposite questions: the ones that are not very interesting but important nonetheless, such as the case of a reference to a cryptic documentation.

Extrinsic motivations displace intrinsic ones. Once you have the magical internet points, the intrinsic motivations fade.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

#186
post #28

I often ask a question on Google, get taken to a Stack Exchange site, and find that yes, they have my question, but some moderator closed it before it got answered. SE got my traffic, but I didn't get my answer. Isn't that broken?

There is an ongoing religious war among avid SO users (don't know about the rest of SE) about what kinds of questions should be allowed. Roughly, there are two camps. Those who say that any well-formed, non-dup question of interest should be let in and those who think it's a stop of last-resort after checking all conceivable documentation and scouring the internet. I believe the latter viewpoint is pretty run-of-the-…

One of my top question created earliest (before the over zealous moderators appeared) was

how to push an item into an array in Java?

The obvious response is "lol don't you know how to read the doc"?

Yet the view count is over 100,000 and counting, with people commenting how much they appreciate finding the answer immediately.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

#187
post #43
post #28

I often ask a question on Google, get taken to a Stack Exchange site, and find that yes, they have my question, but some moderator closed it before it got answered. SE got my traffic, but I didn't get my answer. Isn't that broken?

Having read over 5000( yes really ) questions and searched over 100 with Google, that didn't happen once. Just to clarify, SE doesn't always have the question, but it always has the answer. It must be related to the specific field you are searching for; older ones are usually complete. I wouldn't be surprised if a more casual programming field has a larger ratio of closed answers.

Happens to me constantly. The best questions for me are always like how best to make money in an Android app, which StackOverflow hates because there isn't any clear answer, just many people who have tried many ad networks, free and pro apps, etc.. The only questions they seem to allow are trivial things I know from reading documentation anyway.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #95
post #30

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Can you provide examples of some of those questions? Usually when I encounter that, it's been closed as a duplicate with a link to the original.

Post a technical question about how to make your single page application crawlable, if it includes the word "SEO", there are great chances it will be closed. Some examples: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21044302/make-ajax-loaded... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26298780/how-to-make-ajax... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14887710/ajax-deep-linkin... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21785074/seo-with-si…

Maybe I'm just off-base, but I'd consider all of those off-topic for SO. It's not a programming or programming tools question, it's a "how does Googlebot work?" question.

The knowledge would certainly be useful to many people, but it is outside of SO's scope as it is defined.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

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post #185

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Isn't the incentive to answer those kinds of questions mostly intrinsic? I mean, the interesting questions and answers are more likely to be given exactly because they are so. The extrinsic reward is then complementarily useful for the opposite questions: the ones that are not very interesting but important nonetheless, such as the case of a reference to a cryptic documentation.

Extrinsic motivations displace intrinsic ones. Once you have the magical internet points, the intrinsic motivations fade.

Maybe the difference of opinion largely comes down to whether you think the second sentence of your comment "sounds right". It seems false to me, but it must seem true to you, since you wrote it. I would be very interested in seeing an analysis of data relating a measure of how many "non-novel" answers are being given to how many difficult questions are being answered.

Re: Stack Exchange Raises $40M Led by A16Z to Boost Its Programmer Forums

#190
post #144

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It seems like the solution is to instead of close non-novel questions, just make them not award points.

I think this would be an excellent solution. Combine it with some semantic similarity analysis, and the vast majority of newbie questions could be replaced with "Here's a link to a pre-written answer that almost certainly addresses what you want".

They already do that analysis and show similar questions while you're asking a question. You can say "well they should do it better" (and I'm sure they try), but the whole beauty of the Q&A model is combining the strengths of computers and humans. Computers are better at organizing and storing tons of information, but humans are much better at figuring out what other humans are really asking.
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