Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by mqt » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 3:59 AM UTC

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you
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Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by timf » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 4:21 AM UTC

I was curious if the printed book included mention of the GNU license so I "searched inside" on Amazon.

These two paragraphs are pretty odd sitting next to each other: http://timfreeman.org/copyright_dip.png

Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by buugs » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 4:34 AM UTC

This is what free software / free licenses needs, people who parade and exemplify it rather than compare it to non-free licenses or even hate on and fight against non-free software, by force.

Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by bigiain » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 4:51 AM UTC

timf wrote: post #2

I was curious if the printed book included mention of the GNU license so I "searched inside" on Amazon. These two paragraphs are pretty odd sitting next to each other: http://timfreeman.org/copyright_dip.png

I see the first paragraph as being "written permission" to "copy distribute and/or modify" the document under some quite specific conditions, and the second as reserving all other rights.

But yeah, it _does_ look strange...

Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by patio11 » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 5:00 AM UTC

I don’t know where that leaves you as a business.

I suspect this leaves Apress at the "Require all further authors to contractually promise us, in writing, that they are assigning Apress the exclusive right to publish/distribute the content and have not written any legal landmines which contradict this clause into the sections we routinely don't read".

Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 5:04 AM UTC

bigiain wrote: post #4

timf wrote: post #2

I was curious if the printed book included mention of the GNU license so I "searched inside" on Amazon. These two paragraphs are pretty odd sitting next to each other: http://timfreeman.org/copyright_dip.png

I see the first paragraph as being "written permission" to "copy distribute and/or modify" the document under some quite specific conditions, and the second as reserving all other rights. But yeah, it _does_ look strange...

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Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by omouse » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 5:16 AM UTC

bigiain wrote: post #4

timf wrote: post #2

I was curious if the printed book included mention of the GNU license so I "searched inside" on Amazon. These two paragraphs are pretty odd sitting next to each other: http://timfreeman.org/copyright_dip.png

I see the first paragraph as being "written permission" to "copy distribute and/or modify" the document under some quite specific conditions, and the second as reserving all other rights. But yeah, it _does_ look strange...

It also says "prior written permission"...maybe it's a joke because the permission is granted by the prior paragraph?

Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 5:18 AM UTC

patio11 wrote: post #5

I don’t know where that leaves you as a business. I suspect this leaves Apress at the "Require all further authors to contractually promise us, in writing, that they are assigning Apress the exclusive right to publish/distribute the content and have not written any legal landmines which contradict this clause into the sections we routinely don't read".

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Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by MarkPilgrim » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 5:36 AM UTC

timf wrote: post #2

I was curious if the printed book included mention of the GNU license so I "searched inside" on Amazon. These two paragraphs are pretty odd sitting next to each other: http://timfreeman.org/copyright_dip.png

I complained about that, but it was too late to do anything about it. (You don't usually even see those frontmatter pages during the book-writing/editing/proofing process.)

Re: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this to you

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Post by zck » Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 5:37 AM UTC

timf wrote: post #2

I was curious if the printed book included mention of the GNU license so I "searched inside" on Amazon. These two paragraphs are pretty odd sitting next to each other: http://timfreeman.org/copyright_dip.png

I'm not sure this is the case here, but it might be the difference between the actual text itself and the representation, arrangement, and style of the text as exhibited in the book. This happens in music, where a given Mozart concerto, for example, is in the public domain, but that doesn't mean you can photocopy a given sheet music of the concerto and hand it out; the notes themselves are in the public domain, but the particular typesetting of the specific document is not.