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Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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I'm about to ask for a raise for the first time but I'm not entirely sure how to handle it. I've been with this company for 7 years and only received 2-3% increases the past 3 years. I interviewed at a competitor and they offered me a 20% increase, which I turned down. During negotiations should I simply ask for them to match? I don't want them to think I'm actively looking for a new job but want to get paid my worth…

I recently asked for (and was awarded) a raise. I have weekly 1-on-1's with my boss (CEO) - they usually go for about an hour & we simply talk about everything happening in the business/team.

At the end, I simply said 'Something I want to bring up is that I've looked at the market and I don't feel I am being paid adequately for the value I'm creating'. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't an awkward conversation. I didn't mention any number at all & was actually met with a slightly negative response, but a week later at the next 1-on-1, it was brought up again & I was awarded a 10% cash raise (I negotiated some ISO's too).

In your scenario, I wouldn't tell them that you interviewed at a competitor either. You can simply tell them that you've looked at other roles & determined market rate as being higher than what you're currently paid. Only use another offer as leverage if you are prepared to leave & take that offer.

Modesty aside, I'll also admit that I'm a high performer in our team & so I already knew that I had leverage. Something I've learned though is that unless you bring it up, it's never going to happen - there is no-one looking out for you unfortunately, so take the initiative & help yourself where you can - it equates to hundreds of thousands of dollars over your career.

Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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Another B.S. article about negotiating IT salary's. If IT salary's kept pace back before the Dot bomb days everyone would be making 150k starting. Here is why we don't IT has for the most part never been a money maker of a lot of companies. They see it as a loss leader. IT is seen as the "Oh boy here comes the IT budget again." Unless of course your business is making software for the masses. But then I have been at…

Sorry to be pedantic but it is the "cue" to them that you are looking, not "queue".

Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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> Typically, in a mature company the salaries of the dev team are a rounding error on the total operation.

I don't think that's true at all. From small startups to large successful no-longer-startups, often dev salaries dominate spending, from what I usually hear.

Perhaps my experience is limited? Or perhaps the author means something specific by "mature company"?

Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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A tech employer in Vancouver once told me that if an engineer tries to negotiate for a higher salary that is a signal that they care only about money and that they wouldn't be good hire, regardless of their experience and skillset. This is one of the "big" tech companies in Vancouver, BC. Never mind the hundreds of small sweatshops here.

I once had a interviewer ask me "How much would it take for you to work for us"? I told him that I didn't understand the question and so he said "How much do you need to live on?" I asked him how much does it take for him to live on? He walked out and so did I.

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Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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A tech employer in Vancouver once told me that if an engineer tries to negotiate for a higher salary that is a signal that they care only about money and that they wouldn't be good hire, regardless of their experience and skillset. This is one of the "big" tech companies in Vancouver, BC. Never mind the hundreds of small sweatshops here.

I once had a interviewer ask me "How much would it take for you to work for us"? I told him that I didn't understand the question and so he said "How much do you need to live on?" I asked him how much does it take for him to live on? He walked out and so did I.

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Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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A tech employer in Vancouver once told me that if an engineer tries to negotiate for a higher salary that is a signal that they care only about money and that they wouldn't be good hire, regardless of their experience and skillset. This is one of the "big" tech companies in Vancouver, BC. Never mind the hundreds of small sweatshops here.

I once had a interviewer ask me "How much would it take for you to work for us"? I told him that I didn't understand the question and so he said "How much do you need to live on?" I asked him how much does it take for him to live on? He walked out and so did I.

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Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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A tech employer in Vancouver once told me that if an engineer tries to negotiate for a higher salary that is a signal that they care only about money and that they wouldn't be good hire, regardless of their experience and skillset. This is one of the "big" tech companies in Vancouver, BC. Never mind the hundreds of small sweatshops here.

I once had a interviewer ask me "How much would it take for you to work for us"? I told him that I didn't understand the question and so he said "How much do you need to live on?" I asked him how much does it take for him to live on? He walked out and so did I.

The last person to leave an interview isn't really "walking out".

Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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Another B.S. article about negotiating IT salary's. If IT salary's kept pace back before the Dot bomb days everyone would be making 150k starting. Here is why we don't IT has for the most part never been a money maker of a lot of companies. They see it as a loss leader. IT is seen as the "Oh boy here comes the IT budget again." Unless of course your business is making software for the masses. But then I have been at…

> IT has for the most part never been a money maker of a lot of companies. They see it as a loss leader.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure that IT is harder and requires more training/practice than e.g. finance or sales, but profits from those two are very easy to quantify and it's quite obvious who the deal-maker was, whereas IT is mostly teamwork and doesn't have obvious profits.

Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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Another B.S. article about negotiating IT salary's. If IT salary's kept pace back before the Dot bomb days everyone would be making 150k starting. Here is why we don't IT has for the most part never been a money maker of a lot of companies. They see it as a loss leader. IT is seen as the "Oh boy here comes the IT budget again." Unless of course your business is making software for the masses. But then I have been at…

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Re: Salary negotiations for techies (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You provide free food because you get more working time out of your employees. Any other benefit your pushing is quite honestly, bullshit. They're sitting together? Great; odds are they're talking about their job and that's only beneficial to the employer. The other problem with free food is that it starts to feel like an obligation to consume it. I like eating out about once a week otherwise I brown-bag it most of t…

I fully embrace that we get more value out of providing free food than it costs us. That plus the fact that almost everyone seems to like it is enough of a reason to do it. Is sitting together and talking about your job ONLY beneficial to the employer? I feel like better communication and more discussion hopefully leading to doing a better job is also beneficial to the employee. Working on a more successful team prob…

    Is sitting together and talking about your job ONLY beneficial to the employer?
Yes, yes it is. Unless of course they're talking about leaving in which case it might not be.
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