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Re: “What happens when you type Google.com into your browser and press enter?”

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> Yes. My experience of hiring is that it is extremely hard and imprecise. I prefer to give the candidates every advantage possible. Yes, I agree that hiring is hard and imprecise. I generally try to ask questions on a variety of different topics, to make sure that I can find where their strengths are; if they are weak in one or two areas, that can generally be worked around, but if they come off weak in 3 or more of…

I'm curious how long your screen generally lasts. In my hour-long phone screens there's barely enough time to cover a coding question and a few basic data structures/knowledge questions. I feel like covering everything you laid out would take several hours.

I try to keep it within an hour, but sometimes go over, up to an hour and a half.

I usually have the final question, writing real working code, be something that the candidate does offline using a real editor and being able to test it out, and email me the result afterwards, as we're usually low on time by that point and many people are more comfortable doing that in a real editor, being able to test out their code, etc. However, it turns out that the last question can be done as a one-liner shell script (it has one little tricky bit that make the simplest one liner shell script you might write not quite work properly, but it's possible to work around that), so some people are able to just do that online with me during the screen.

I generally keep the screen moving quickly, giving people prompts and hints to get past parts they're stuck on to keep things moving, and when I say I'm asking basic questions, they are really quite basic. My experience has been that people who actually pass the screen generally complete it within the hour, while people who are struggling are the ones who take longer.

Re: “What happens when you type Google.com into your browser and press enter?”

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Lots of interesting things happen in between your computer and Google's servers - like ISPs exchanging routing information using BGP, so the routers can determine a route through each different AS (provider/transit network) it has to go through to actually Fong the machine with that IP, and the kinds of physical and data layers it goes through (cable or DSL, fibre, and Ethernet, SONET/SDH, maybe tunnelling over MPLS…

Is Fonging a thing, or typo? :)

I would love if that were a thing. It was meant to be 'find' but typing on a phone keyboard is hard!

Re: “What happens when you type Google.com into your browser and press enter?”

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post #120

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Not saying that Google itself does this (I doubt it, honestly), but browser fingerprinting does exist and your browser is, more than likely, unique: https://panopticlick.eff.org It isn't entirely unconceivable that a site may use browser fingerprinting to track you even when not signed in by associating your unique browser fingerprint to your account.

I agree that it's possible. I would be extremely surprised if Google were doing this, however, so I'm interested in why rasz_pl thinks they are.

ex googlers startup

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/508176/get-ready-for-ad...

browser fingerprinting is old school and almost outdated by now

All Google needs is few hours of your online activity to associate a fresh newly installed system / browser / ip with a trace of crumbs you usually leave on the network, your 'online routine' - often visited pages, order of visits, time of day, time stamps, all thanks to ever present adsense. Not to mention everything you type in the Chrome address/search bar is reported back to the mothership one letter+timestamp at a time in the name of instant search/autosuggestions/autocomplete (keystroke dynamics), Google knows most common mistakes we make when entering urls/words (limited stylometry), Google has a whole warehouse of stylometry data inside gmail.

Everyone is doing it, Google, FB, Amazon all have acres of server farms grinding such data. Google even offers free DNS servers just to collect more of it. Small companies offer free url shorteners, image hosting, all great sources (who you share with, how popular you are, how far it reaches, for how long). Six degrees of separation etc, everyone wants to know your interests, ip, os, browser, email, phone numbers, address, friends, contacts, social graph influence. The more data sources the easier to correlate and aggregate. Just an example of visible usage - Amazon will give you different price depending on who it 'thinks' you are.

Re: “What happens when you type Google.com into your browser and press enter?”

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post #120

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I agree that it's possible. I would be extremely surprised if Google were doing this, however, so I'm interested in why rasz_pl thinks they are.

ex googlers startup http://www.technologyreview.com/news/508176/get-ready-for-ad... browser fingerprinting is old school and almost outdated by now All Google needs is few hours of your online activity to associate a fresh newly installed system / browser / ip with a trace of crumbs you usually leave on the network, your 'online routine' - often visited pages, order of visits, time of day, time stamps, all thanks to…

    associate a fresh newly installed system / browser / ip
    with a trace of crumbs you usually leave on the network
Again, I totally agree this is possible, but I haven't seen any evidence that they're doing it. If they were doing this they'd be using it for something, but it's not visible in any of the public products. For example, the company in the article you linked to, Drawbridge, talks about cross-device tracking as something they could sell to advertisers.

    Everyone is doing it, Google, FB, Amazon all have acres
    of server farms grinding such data.
"Everyone is doing it" is very different from "everyone is in a position to do it". If you have some evidence that a big reputable company, like the three you mention here, actually is "identifying you even when you are not logged in and browse in private mode with no cookies" I would love to see it.

    Google even offers free DNS servers just to
    collect more of it.
The privacy policy for Google's DNS [1] says "Google Public DNS does not permanently store personally identifiable information." Do you think they're not following the policy?

    Amazon will give you different price depending on who
    it 'thinks' you are.
Really? Some looking turns up Bezos saying "We've never tested and we never will test prices based on customer demographics." [2] (Even then, dynamic pricing is way less invasive than trying to connect User-A to User-A-In-Incognito-Mode.)

[1] https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/privacy [2] http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=119399

Re: “What happens when you type Google.com into your browser and press enter?”

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post #125
post #120

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I agree that it's possible. I would be extremely surprised if Google were doing this, however, so I'm interested in why rasz_pl thinks they are.

I would be surprised if Google didn't use per-ip reputation and targeting at some level of their stack.

Like in DOS blocking? I'd expect that too. But this doesn't sound like the kind of thing rasz_pl would object to?

Re: “What happens when you type Google.com into your browser and press enter?”

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post #134

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ex googlers startup http://www.technologyreview.com/news/508176/get-ready-for-ad... browser fingerprinting is old school and almost outdated by now All Google needs is few hours of your online activity to associate a fresh newly installed system / browser / ip with a trace of crumbs you usually leave on the network, your 'online routine' - often visited pages, order of visits, time of day, time stamps, all thanks to…

associate a fresh newly installed system / browser / ip with a trace of crumbs you usually leave on the network Again, I totally agree this is possible, but I haven't seen any evidence that they're doing it. If they were doing this they'd be using it for something, but it's not visible in any of the public products. For example, the company in the article you linked to, Drawbridge, talks about cross-device tracking a…

> "Google Public DNS does not permanently store personally identifiable information."

That depends on their (possibly very narrow) definition of which information is personally identifiable.

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