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Is the World Making You Sick?

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Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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This is why I do not shed any tears for the decline of most newspapers and TV news.

Even the "good" ones tend to be hit or miss, or not call out BS when it is so obvious. The Economist seems to be one of few publications that I can consistently read without getting frustrated by emotional journalism or poor logic.

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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post #4

> There are several types of proof. Nick Ashford and I observed the same patterns of inexplicable new-onset intolerances across very different toxic exposures in over a dozen countries. Sheep dippers using organophosphate pesticides in rural areas of Europe, radiology workers inhaling chemicals while developing films in New Zealand, Gulf War veterans, EPA workers in a remodeled and poorly ventilated office building i…

I see similar complaints about risk to health and personal safety from emergency services personnel, but their life expectancies suggest otherwise. What I would really like to see is an estimation of the life-expectancy of the workers in these industries. Is it actually lower than average, or does it appear that the exposure has a minimal effect on health? Do the benefits of working in the industry out-weigh the risk…

Farmers dipping sheep in organophosphates may have many years of reduced quality life before dying at about the same age as other people.

Farm workers are traditionally poor so that might be a confounding factor.

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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I run a hospital lab, and I see requests for testing for all sorts of bizarre things, largely by naturopaths, deriving from the "philosophy" expressed here. We refer to people who believe this stuff as being on the "Quest for Purity", a quixotic drive to remove all "toxins" from their bodies. Regardless of whether or not there are substantiated examples of low doses of chemicals causing effects, the worry about this problem being widespread is a very common delusion that consumes an enormous amount of attention and money, is preyed upon by charlatan doctors (or naturopaths, who call themselves doctors), and is incredibly confounding. The rub in these potential illnesses is that you can never actually remove any of these exposures completely, and thus you are required to continue to purchase diagnostics, cures, and consultations forever. If there is a true toxicobiologic effect in here, it will be essentially impossible to discern from the obvious and overriding psychiatric issues and financial conflicts at play.

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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What makes me sick is this fear-mongering. Go back to the industrialization in England if you want to see real pollution. We have made astonishing advances when it comes to increasing air quality. Catalysts in cars, all kinds of regulations about emissions. We are constantly trying to remove harmful substances from our lives - but that requires evidence, we can't just randomly blame 'chemicals'. It's far from perfect…

Dreadful fear-mongering? Plenty to monger! Good gracious -we are even told to watch and limit the amount of fish we eat thanks to its mercury content. And mercury (horribly toxic) is only one of many substances that we should get concerned about.

"The researchers, led by scientists from Harvard University and the U.S. Geological Survey, found that the ocean’s mercury levels have already risen about 30% over the last 20 years. Combined, the findings mean the Pacific Ocean will be twice as contaminated with mercury in 2050 as it was in 1995 if the emission rates continue."

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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I run a hospital lab, and I see requests for testing for all sorts of bizarre things, largely by naturopaths, deriving from the "philosophy" expressed here. We refer to people who believe this stuff as being on the "Quest for Purity", a quixotic drive to remove all "toxins" from their bodies. Regardless of whether or not there are substantiated examples of low doses of chemicals causing effects, the worry about this…

> and I see requests for testing for all sorts of bizarre things

It would be interesting: Can you list a bunch?

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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I run a hospital lab, and I see requests for testing for all sorts of bizarre things, largely by naturopaths, deriving from the "philosophy" expressed here. We refer to people who believe this stuff as being on the "Quest for Purity", a quixotic drive to remove all "toxins" from their bodies. Regardless of whether or not there are substantiated examples of low doses of chemicals causing effects, the worry about this…

Yep, this was pretty much my opinion.

But then my wife got sick. Spent 5 years with myriads of specialists, who all did their testings, and threw their hands up in the air.

So guess where we eventually land, when traditional medicine gets us no where? Within months of removing these effect-less "toxins" from her diet, I have a wife back.

So believe what you want -- I'd do the same if it hadn't radically effected my own life.

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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post #16

I run a hospital lab, and I see requests for testing for all sorts of bizarre things, largely by naturopaths, deriving from the "philosophy" expressed here. We refer to people who believe this stuff as being on the "Quest for Purity", a quixotic drive to remove all "toxins" from their bodies. Regardless of whether or not there are substantiated examples of low doses of chemicals causing effects, the worry about this…

Yep, this was pretty much my opinion. But then my wife got sick. Spent 5 years with myriads of specialists, who all did their testings, and threw their hands up in the air. So guess where we eventually land, when traditional medicine gets us no where? Within months of removing these effect-less "toxins" from her diet, I have a wife back. So believe what you want -- I'd do the same if it hadn't radically effected my o…

I don't think you actually read enziobodoni's post. (S)he certainly didn't say there were no toxins or they were effect-less.

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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post #16

I run a hospital lab, and I see requests for testing for all sorts of bizarre things, largely by naturopaths, deriving from the "philosophy" expressed here. We refer to people who believe this stuff as being on the "Quest for Purity", a quixotic drive to remove all "toxins" from their bodies. Regardless of whether or not there are substantiated examples of low doses of chemicals causing effects, the worry about this…

Yep, this was pretty much my opinion. But then my wife got sick. Spent 5 years with myriads of specialists, who all did their testings, and threw their hands up in the air. So guess where we eventually land, when traditional medicine gets us no where? Within months of removing these effect-less "toxins" from her diet, I have a wife back. So believe what you want -- I'd do the same if it hadn't radically effected my o…

Can you back up your anecdote with more facts?

What kind of sick was your wife? What was her recovery like? What were the toxins you removed?

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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post #4

> There are several types of proof. Nick Ashford and I observed the same patterns of inexplicable new-onset intolerances across very different toxic exposures in over a dozen countries. Sheep dippers using organophosphate pesticides in rural areas of Europe, radiology workers inhaling chemicals while developing films in New Zealand, Gulf War veterans, EPA workers in a remodeled and poorly ventilated office building i…

I worked in lawn/pest control and my boss said that after a time, some guys take a hit from the chemicals, and become 'exquisitely sensitized' as is referenced here.

Chemicals that had no noticeable effect previously, suddenly have immediate consequences, like rashes or illness.

Re: Is the World Making You Sick?

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I predict many of the additives in our food and other products will be dimly viewed in retrospective, similar to how we view asbestos & lead paint today.

The preservatives, anti-caking agents, food colorings and other profit-enhancing additives are basically used with an "innocent until proven guilty" mindset.

As usual, you need only follow the money; who profits from adding these things to our food? Pretty much everyone.

There's much less profit motivation for pure food, so it simply won't happen until there's conclusive proof that the additives are bad.

And who's going to pay for that proof -- enough that those profiting from them can't squash it?

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