Also in Germany they have Donald Duck series (quite popular); don't know why they don't have that in the US
What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me
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The indie game equivalent are web comics. There are really well made and interesting ones out there, although finding them isn't always easy. For some, printed versions are also available.
Going to have to second this. There's a whole range of comics catering to those more esoteric (and often quite boring, frankly) storylines, and a good many of them have books for sale. Check out Something Positive (terrible people), Stand Still, Stay Silent (kid friendly but a little dark, beautiful art), Dumbing of Age (ugh, but some people like it), Vattu (kid friendly, nice art, coming-of-age), Schlock Mercenary (…
[1] https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/stand-still-stay-silent-b...
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> Meanwhile, in our more "enlightened" mainstream American culture, people write angry blog posts filled with stupid impact font image macros about how they literally judged an entire medium by its cover, because the female body is offensive or something. It is absolutely offensive when it is posed in an unreal and unnatural way with impossible proportions and impossible looks. I get that they are comics, but a story…
Batman is improbably built. See how his muscles bulge preposterously from his armor? [1] In real life, most body builders focused on "aesthetics" would have to starve themselves to bring their body fat levels low enough to create that kind of appearance. They would not have the energy afterwards to serve Gotham. A fighter [2] or soldier [3] like Batman would prefer to build up "functional" muscle that will be useful…
here is a great example of how to make interesting and compelling art without drawing your females as hyper sexualized pieces of meat.
Sans the DBZ one, which is -okayish- but still debatable.
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How is that trampling on anyones rights? Nobody has the right to be popular...
What? It's not the right to be popular. It's the right to artistic freedom, including sexualized comic books, regardless of whether or not you're popular.
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>Check out the Hawkeye Initiative [1], Hawkeye is drawn the way female characters are drawn. Notice that you never see comic book heroes drawn that way unless they're women. OR unless you're reading Jojo's Bizarre Adventure . http://theglorioblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/jojos-bizar... -- pictured: some kinda Aztec vampire thingy eating some poor soul
Bishounen is quite popular in Japan, many studios often use this art style, as well as female and male mangaka. Also "Aztec vampire thingies"? Kars and his lot are the progenitors of mankind.
(Yes, I do remember far too much, far too easily about fine details of anime stories.)
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#356I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…
I know exactly how you feel. For the past year, my main gaming rig has been on another continent and I've been making do with what I could play on a cruddy little netbook running Linux. It's probably been my best year of gaming ever. I've been an old west robot prospector. I've seen a man have sex with a giant goldfish. I've tried to get a mouse to wear a hat. I've consoled a grieving child. After all that was done,…
Have you tried reading Sluggy Freelance? I don't think they had a goat who was a political prisoner, but many things of equivalent weirdness have definitely been in Sluggy, like a lop-eared rabbit who's also a mobster who's also a time-traveling space pirate.
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Except they didn't follow my advice because I or someone else thought it would be cool, it bedmates of the market. People just weren't buying enough comics do they had to target a niche more and more. You say there is some kind of hidden audience that would buy comics if they just stopped portraying female characters the same way they portrayed spiderman? In sure there are some people that feel that way, but I don't…
> You say there is some kind of hidden audience that would buy comics if they just stopped portraying female characters the same way they portrayed spiderman? In sure there are some people that feel that way, but I don't there would be enough of those to support the industry, because, again, the internet and other mediums are just wrecking their business. You don't need to listen to me—read the responses in this very…
Also note that I do not care for these types of comics you describe or even the "sexy" ones. I do not like western art in comics at all. I just think that people who say "oh, but I would read comics if only they had X" talk a lot about it, but not enough of them follow through for extended periods of time when offered the chance.
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#358While I can understand how part of his post is about the way women are portrayed physically in those comics. I'm not so sure on his examples he picked in reference to his children and their unsuitability. I already commented on how I wasn't sure if Batman was suitable for his 5 year old, given the nature of some lines, but some examples he picked in reference to his 7 year old daughter were a stretch. Power Girl: Hav…
I think you're missing the point: his daughter knows those characters through pop culture. She wants to read those comics. But the art for those comics is clearly telling her: you are not our audience. And this is most of the store. The male characters are male power fantasies, and appeal to his son. But the female characters are not female power fantasies, meant to appeal to women. They are male idealized-woman fant…
Disappointingly, she isn't their audience probably because her demographic don't buy enough comics or comics of the right theme. The same could be said for people with Wheat / Gluten allergies in most shops, which is why they have little or no products available in most general stores, because they aren't a big enough demographic to make money out of.
Those comics weren't aimed at her (due to the age rating), which meant that they shouldn't have been a factor. I'd also be curious about which Batman comics were actually suitable for his young son. What should have been a factor was the lack of content available for his daughter (which was mentioned), instead of the focus on the unsuitability of content which isn't even aimed at her. Too much focus on his daughters age and older themed comics.
I would have sided more with the author if they spent more time researching and promoting alternatives and encouraging parents to be more careful with the content they children are consuming (due to the closely related adult versions).
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> You say there is some kind of hidden audience that would buy comics if they just stopped portraying female characters the same way they portrayed spiderman? In sure there are some people that feel that way, but I don't there would be enough of those to support the industry, because, again, the internet and other mediums are just wrecking their business. You don't need to listen to me—read the responses in this very…
But HN is a tiny minority. It is barely a drop in the ocean. Printed media is losing a lot of market (except books globally and comics in certain asian countries). Look at how manga works - most manga don't get that many sales. They rely entirely on their niche. There are just a lot of authors of them and a lot of buyers. However, in the western world comics seem to be dying like newspapers. The Internet just stomps…
It is, although the comments aren't HN readers talking about themselves—the comments are HN readers talking about what comic book readership in their country looks like. To pick a random example, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8898345. Pay attention to what the author is saying: not "I read X", but "the best selling comic in Norway for decades was Donald Duck", "The best selling French-language comic is usually Spirou".
> You have to realize that this is afterall a business - the fact that there are very few comics that do portray what you're talking about disagrees with your "tremendous evidence".
The fact that there are very few comics in the US. There are very many such comic books outside of the US, and they sell well. My point is, the way the US comic book market looks is not inevitable; instead it's a result of many years of poor decisions by the US comic book publishers to appeal to a single niche.
Or to turn your phrase back on you: it's a business for comic producers all over the world. However, elsewhere they have found success selling to audiences that US comic book producers have long neglected. I know given how popular US cultural products are, it's easy to assume that things outside the US look just like things inside the US, but that's not always the case. HN has an international readership; check out what they say to see what things are like in other countries.