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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by vinceguidry » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 1:51 AM UTC

ANTSANTS wrote: post #314

zadroz90 wrote: post #313

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Two things: 1. killertypo is talking about the way /women/ are portrayed in comic books — not men. He may think the way men are portrayed is wrong as well, so bringing up Batman makes no sense. 2. The way men and women are portrayed is vastly different. Male superheroes are written (and drawn) as people you want to be, women superheroes are written (and drawn) as people you want to have sex with. This wouldn't be suc…

Again, I hate to respond in image macros, but the idea that women don't find men like Batman or Spider Man attractive is bullshit. http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/258/9/6/tumblr_mtg09c... (what do you know, the comic that image mocks was written by a guy...) I'm sorry, but things like the "Hawkeye initiative" are just plain stupid for completely overlooking the differences between male and female sexuality. Lo…

Sexuality isn't the problem. Whatever you find sexy is whatever you find sexy and there's nothing wrong with that.

The problem is when media gets sexualized to the point where children grow up thinking only one way of looking at sexuality is the right way. It creates body image-related traumas that get reinforced in places like schools where kids are often taunted for not having the 'right' type. This should be fought whenever possible.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by yarou » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 3:01 AM UTC

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #331

zadroz90 wrote: post #313

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Two things: 1. killertypo is talking about the way /women/ are portrayed in comic books — not men. He may think the way men are portrayed is wrong as well, so bringing up Batman makes no sense. 2. The way men and women are portrayed is vastly different. Male superheroes are written (and drawn) as people you want to be, women superheroes are written (and drawn) as people you want to have sex with. This wouldn't be suc…

>Check out the Hawkeye Initiative [1], Hawkeye is drawn the way female characters are drawn. Notice that you never see comic book heroes drawn that way unless they're women. OR unless you're reading Jojo's Bizarre Adventure . http://theglorioblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/jojos-bizar... -- pictured: some kinda Aztec vampire thingy eating some poor soul

Bishounen is quite popular in Japan, many studios often use this art style, as well as female and male mangaka.

Also "Aztec vampire thingies"? Kars and his lot are the progenitors of mankind.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by zadroz90 » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 3:05 AM UTC

ANTSANTS wrote: post #314

zadroz90 wrote: post #313

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Two things: 1. killertypo is talking about the way /women/ are portrayed in comic books — not men. He may think the way men are portrayed is wrong as well, so bringing up Batman makes no sense. 2. The way men and women are portrayed is vastly different. Male superheroes are written (and drawn) as people you want to be, women superheroes are written (and drawn) as people you want to have sex with. This wouldn't be suc…

Again, I hate to respond in image macros, but the idea that women don't find men like Batman or Spider Man attractive is bullshit. http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/258/9/6/tumblr_mtg09c... (what do you know, the comic that image mocks was written by a guy...) I'm sorry, but things like the "Hawkeye initiative" are just plain stupid for completely overlooking the differences between male and female sexuality. Lo…

Let's try this again.

Your initial argument was essentially "but men are sexualized too!" And that was irrelevant, because we're talking about ladies.

That comic you posted actually sums it up pretty well, super heroes are drawn as male power fantasies. Also notice I never said anything about women finding Batman unattractive, the problem is that women are drawn almost exclusively to please just men. (Look up male gaze)

If I started reading romance novels, then I too might give a damn if my gender is normally portrayed in certain ways. But I read comic books and found myself enjoying the ones where women get to be people to.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by paulhauggis » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 4:49 AM UTC

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Yeah, you'd have lots of angry men sending the woman cartoonists death threats, like the Gamergate domestic terrorists. Where's the profit in that?

You also have a lot of women doing the same to men. Gamergate is a bad situation all around.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by npizzolato » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 4:59 AM UTC

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You can't just trample on people's rights because you disagree with them. Nor say "it's OK that it exists, it just can't be popular."

How is that trampling on anyones rights? Nobody has the right to be popular...

What? It's not the right to be popular. It's the right to artistic freedom, including sexualized comic books, regardless of whether or not you're popular.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 4:59 AM UTC

jimbokun wrote: post #265

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I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

Half baked idea for broadening the U.S. comics market. There is some familiarity with manga in the U.S. I've seen tankobon format translations in Barnes and Noble and public libraries. But there's not the same association with super heroes for books in that format. So create new works of English language sequential art, but publish them in tankobon format. You could market them to whatever market segment you like, wi…

They've been trying that for 20 years.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 5:02 AM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #284

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> The tumbler social justice warriors don't care about that Yes they do! People are constantly talking about the stupid gendering of toys that don't need to be gendered.

Generally, they talk about how its affects girls. My point is that flip-side (effeminate princes) is not a major social issue to them, the same way comic shops marketed and targeted to boys aren't a major issue to boys. Now the "tough girl" trope is in full effect in fiction. If you portray a feminine girl in YA story you're going to deal with massive protests. We're going to look back at this period and wonder why w…

"""Generally, they talk about how its affects girls. My point is that flip-side (effeminate princes) is not a major social issue to them, the same way comic shops marketed and targeted to boys aren't a major issue to boys."""

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 5:15 AM UTC

xienze wrote: post #199

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Agreed. Expecting cultures to change and adapt is for suckers!

Sometimes you've gotta pick your battles. We're talking about comic books here. Who really cares? Why do they "need" to change?

I've been reading comic books since the 70s, and have spent north of five figures on them, and I can tell you this is a battle that absolutely needs to be fought. Mainstream superhero comic book culture is a cancer.

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Post by ta75757 » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 5:21 AM UTC

rytis wrote: post #315

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Well, considering many children learn to kill and dress game early in life; I don't see a problem with that. Depends on the child and the parent. But I appreciate you trying to show my point is invalid by trying to get me to disagree with a completely different example.

> many children learn to kill and dress game early in life Can you give some examples? I'm genuinely curious about the first, "learn to kill", type of games.

he's talking about hunting. in real life. game is the word for animals that are hunted.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Post by ta75757 » Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 5:22 AM UTC

mcguire wrote: post #328

talmand wrote: post #296

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Well, considering many children learn to kill and dress game early in life; I don't see a problem with that. Depends on the child and the parent. But I appreciate you trying to show my point is invalid by trying to get me to disagree with a completely different example.

" But I appreciate you trying to show my point is invalid by trying to get me to disagree with a completely different example. " And I liked how you substituted a completely different meaning of "game".

rytis brought up slaughterhouses. talmand replied about hunting. the use of the word "game" in hunting is a coincidence.