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What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I know exactly how you feel. For the past year, my main gaming rig has been on another continent and I've been making do with what I could play on a cruddy little netbook running Linux. It's probably been my best year of gaming ever. I've been an old west robot prospector. I've seen a man have sex with a giant goldfish. I've tried to get a mouse to wear a hat. I've consoled a grieving child. After all that was done,…

The indie game equivalent are web comics. There are really well made and interesting ones out there, although finding them isn't always easy. For some, printed versions are also available.

Also there are lots and lots of small press publishers out there.

Just off the top of my head there are: * First Second * Drawn and Quarterly * Fantagraphics * Koyama Press * Top Shelf * NBM

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

> It's ok to have super sexed-up comics in the store, but it's really sad that's all they have. I've never been to a comics store where that's all they have. Heck, even the comics selection in non-comics stores that carry some comics usually isn't limited to just that. Its probably the majority of what they have, because the people that buy it are the ones who will by more comics if more of what they want to buy is a…

"""I've never been to a comics store where that's all they have"""

I've been to plenty of comics stores that only have Marvel and DC, which are the super sexed-up comics being complained about. (Sometimes they'll have an "indie" section in the back with a few Dark Horse and Image trades).

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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post #12

I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

How can the market fix this? If there is not enough demand, then publishers aren't going to create these titles.

You're giving the producers and distributors far too much credit.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I haven't read the article, its server is [edit:was] down. I was replying to the parent comments.

Probably not a good idea to have one's young daughter read Cerebus is I guess what I'm saying.

Not a good idea to have one's young son read it either.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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post #13

I had a similar 'revelation' with violence in video games. I knew a lot of games were violent, but it wasn't until I found my 2 year old son watching me murder human after human with a crossbow in Tomb Raider that I 'got it'. It has ruined AAA video games for me. I solved the problem by buying a Wii U. I'm not sure why that's better. I have killed hundreds of pikmin, squashed hundreds of goomba and worst of all, used…

There are recent AAA games around that attempt to get away from the kill-kill-kill dynamic. A good example is Dishonoured - there's a bonus for completing missions without killing anyone, and the entire game can be completed non-violently.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Having a daughter will teach you a lot of things, and give you more perspectives. Music lyrics, YouTube videos, ads on the billboard/bus, cartoons and even comics. They'll notice. And you'll notice them noticing.

I have to say that that combined with the whole GG thing certainly opened up my eyes how incredibly mysonginist some things and communities are, and how badly they are in denial of it.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Exactly. More importantly the store owner stocks what he sells, or what he thinks sells. If more 7 year old girls came into the store everyday, he might stock something more appropriate for that audience. It is like asking a Harley Davidson dealer whether he stocks Toyota Prius's. Young teen males buy these comics because there are half-naked, caricatured, over-sized breasted women in them. Later on they just buy por…

That's a reasonable point. As a store owner he's probably trying to target the demographic that's buying the most comics. If the majority of his custom comes from male teens then that's the type of comic he'll stock. Of course there's nothing stopping him from trying to stock comics for other groups, as he had stock of younger comics and those aimed at girls, but it can't be expected that he provides equal footing if…

A lot of small comic store owners are fans first and business people second.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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It's kind of interesting - I can think of a number of comics that don't fall into the sexualized gender trap, but they're all comics that have no business being read by a 7 year old, which seems almost backwards.

In a lot of ways I guess comics aren't really for kids anymore, which seems kind of sad.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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That's the typical conflict between liberals and left wings in politics. The conflict between freedom and "good". In this case freedom of artistic expression on one side, and anti-sexualism of women (unisex) on other side.

>> "In this case freedom of artistic expression on one side, and anti-sexualism of women (unisex) on other side." To be clear I would never advocate against artistic freedom. The problem is with the big comic book companies. They should make the decision that they aren't going to sexualise women in comics for no good reason anymore. The artists who truly enjoy making that work can continue to do so at another company…

You can't just trample on people's rights because you disagree with them. Nor say "it's OK that it exists, it just can't be popular."
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