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What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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> Comic book authors don't consider that women might want to read their books, and so they unwittingly cut women out of their audience. I'm guessing Marvel, DC et al have done a lot of research over the years and found out yep, it's pretty much only males that read comic books. They've attempted female-targeted comic books over the years and they don't sell. Not really worth spinning your wheels on something that's n…

> I'm guessing Marvel, DC et al have done a lot of research over the years and found out yep, it's pretty much only males that read comic books. When the vast majority of their output is targeting a mostly male demographic, and being sold almost exclusively in an environment that attracts mostly men, that may be so. But it is a situation of their own making by making their product offering so niche. > are really only…

> When the vast majority of their output is targeting a mostly male demographic, and being sold almost exclusively in an environment that attracts mostly men, that may be so. But it is a situation of their own making by making their product offering so niche.

I think you've got the order of things mixed up. No company intentionally wants to cut their customer base in half. They've tried to attract female readers. They'd be stupid not to! Women just aren't attracted to comic books.

And don't forget that comics _used_ to be sold in book stores, gas stations, etc. Now they aren't. You know why? Because across the board hardly anyone, relatively speaking, reads comic books. They're niche because they're just not that popular in general.

> ... in the US. Unsurprisingly, given that they mostly sell products not targeting women... in the US.

Because in the US, women don't care about comic books. It's a chicken and egg debate for the ages, clearly.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Breaking news! Father takes 7-year old daughter to a comic shop for older, male audiences. Daughter is offended! Misogyny, etc! Males are creeps! Sexualizing women in comics is offensive to women and therefore immoral! It's not like women can choose not to read such comics. It is a sign that you live a life of highest quality if you can worry about sexualization in fictional comics.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because kids don't read comics. When your demographic changes you have to adapt or die.

Do kids not read comics because they wouldn't be interested in them? Or do they not read them because they're no longer kid-friendly? Which is cause and which is effect?

Well, for the past 10 to 20 years kids have been reading comics less and less because they have TV and the Internet. Kids don't even go outside as much as they used to. Things change, and the comic book companies are adapting as best they can.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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While I can understand how part of his post is about the way women are portrayed physically in those comics. I'm not so sure on his examples he picked in reference to his children and their unsuitability. I already commented on how I wasn't sure if Batman was suitable for his 5 year old, given the nature of some lines, but some examples he picked in reference to his 7 year old daughter were a stretch. Power Girl: Hav…

Exactly. More importantly the store owner stocks what he sells, or what he thinks sells. If more 7 year old girls came into the store everyday, he might stock something more appropriate for that audience. It is like asking a Harley Davidson dealer whether he stocks Toyota Prius's. Young teen males buy these comics because there are half-naked, caricatured, over-sized breasted women in them. Later on they just buy por…

That's a reasonable point. As a store owner he's probably trying to target the demographic that's buying the most comics. If the majority of his custom comes from male teens then that's the type of comic he'll stock.

Of course there's nothing stopping him from trying to stock comics for other groups, as he had stock of younger comics and those aimed at girls, but it can't be expected that he provides equal footing if he's simply trying to make money from his main group of customers.

When I go shopping, it's nice when I see a shop that has a gluten / wheat free section. But I don't expected them to have a large aisle dedicated to it if they're not seeing enough custom to validate it.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I agree that there's an awful lot of comics aimed squarely at the adolescent male, but at least in the comic store that my 8 year old daughter likes to go to, there's also a fair amount that she loves.

Her favourites at the moment are the Happy Happy Clover series, the Powerpuff Girls and Adventure Time, but there's quite a few others that she's enjoyed as well. That's alongside all of the books and merchandise for things like Studio Ghibli, and (nerdy) girl-friendly sci-fi like Dr Who and Star Wars.

As she gets older, I can see that she'll probably start to struggle to find stuff she still wants to read, but if that comic book store is offering nothing more than Hello Kitty and Monster High for young girls, you might want to see if you can find a better comic book store.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I've never understood Americans' obsession with superhero comics. When I was a kid I was reading Asterix[1], Gaston Lagaffe[2], Spirou et Fantasio[3], Lucky Luke[4], Prince Valiant[5], The Phantom[6] and similar stuff. Of course, I've read Superman, Batman and Spiderman also but at least I've had a choice. I can't understand why they don't exist in US, why are the only comic books Americans know superhero comics? [1]…

Grew up in South America. I read Disney comics. I found and tried to get into Marvel comics when I got older, but couldn't get into them. Too much stuff needing me to read other series ("hey if you want to know how The Hulk got here and saved IronMan from this peril, read xxx chapter y") to know what happened.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I looked in this online Belgian strip store and for the Dutch language market (quite small demographic), I could find 5 (five) titles for girls! And I'm pretty sure there's more (Noortje, Tina...) http://www.stripweb.be/R-stripverhalen-mooie-navels-bestelle... http://www.stripweb.be/R-stripverhalen-girlz-bestellen.asp http://www.stripweb.be/R-stripverhalen-kathys-kat-bestellen.... http://www.stripweb.be/R-stripverhal…

How did you search? I just searched for "Yoko Tsuno" on that site and they seem to be available.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Garfield, Dilbert, Foxtrot and Calvin and Hobbes is about the extent of my comic repertoire Taking a 7 year old to a comic store is like tasking her to a pg 13 movie.. . Not too surprised it didn't work out. Comics tend to deal with adult themes and are aimed at older people.

Taking her to that particular one might be, but my local one caters pretty well for the pre-teen girl market (as well as the more adult themed stuff). My daughter drags me in there every time we go into town.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Breaking news! Father takes 7-year old daughter to a comic shop for older, male audiences. Daughter is offended! Misogyny, etc! Males are creeps! Sexualizing women in comics is offensive to women and therefore immoral! It's not like women can choose not to read such comics. It is a sign that you live a life of highest quality if you can worry about sexualization in fictional comics.

...so you didn't read the article. I'm not sure why you feel the need to announce that.

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I'm surprised at the number of comments in this thread excusing it because of the market. The fact that nearly everyone who has made that point felt the need to create a new account to do so is very telling. The market is influenced heavily by human beings. And no human being is morally perfect. There are lots of comics that sexualise women because there are lots of guys who, for some reason, enjoy seeing sexual cart…

That's the typical conflict between liberals and left wings in politics. The conflict between freedom and "good". In this case freedom of artistic expression on one side, and anti-sexualism of women (unisex) on other side.

Sounds like an American problem to me. There's plenty of sexualization in works by authors with left-wing inclinations - though usually not so gratuitous like those comics.

A good on-topic example is the comics series Louis La Guigne, which had sexualization (like this cover[1]) but a heavy left-wing slant (the protagonist, among other things, is involved in the resistances against the fascist and nazi regimes in Europe).

[1] http://www.bede-news.com/public/images/vols/louis-guigne-aut...

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