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What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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What do you really expect? Comic books are overwhelmingly read by men. Men who generally -- and don't downvote me, you know it's true -- don't get much female attention. Of course the authors are going to spice them up a bit for their intended demographic. Men have comic books, women have romance novels (and don't tell me the covers for those books aren't intended to sexualize men and titillate their audience). It's…

It's not that simple. This is a cultural issue. Go outside the US and see what comics sell. The best selling comic in Norway for decades was Donald Duck. These days the most popular comics in Norway are Pondus - a comedy series about a pub landlord (previously bus driver) and his friend who sells music (after previously spending years on the dole) - and Nemi, a series about a 20-something female goth, written by a wo…

Yes, I don't think the same issue applies in France at all, for example.

My daughter is currently reading this series: http://www.amazon.fr/Les-Carnets-Cerise-T01-p%C3%A9trifi%C3%...

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

What you say is like a nice idea, but you have to remember that this is a business. These kinds of comics line the shelves, because they're the ones that sell. Of course, it could very well be that if we had more comics that were more moderate they would sell also, but nobody's willing to take the risk. On top of that, you also require an author that is interested in that - you can't just suck this stuff out of a pen…

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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I agree 100%. I don't understand why everything has to be over-analyzed to death. Good grief, we're talking about comic books. I'd love to hear this guy write about taking his daughter to a shop selling uncensored Japanese Manga. "Maaaaybe our comics aren't so bad after all."

All sexual material sold legally in Japan is censored by law. Many people in this thread are talking about how 'the market should adapt' or 'the market doesn't need to adapt', but I think a more interesting corraly is that 'the market' is the primary force acting on the culture of this niche. Japan is lucky to have a diverse comic market, but I think there's an interesting case to be made for non-market forces to enc…

> All sexual material sold legally in Japan is censored by law.

So there's a little black bar where the tentacle is penetrating the woman?

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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As the father of a daughter, and someone who normally gets worked up about this sort of thing, I don't see the big deal. I've always viewed comics as equivalent to daytime soap operas made more pornographic to suit teenage male tastes. What value is there in trying to capture this bit of culture for girls? Is it going to lead to higher paying jobs or more equal gender roles in the home? Is it going to lead to greater fulfillment in their personal lives?

To me, asking how we can get girls more interested in comics or sci-fi is like asking how we can address the gender imbalance in ditch digging jobs.

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Yeah, you'd have lots of angry men sending the woman cartoonists death threats, like the Gamergate domestic terrorists. Where's the profit in that?

It turns out there's plenty of profit in hatred: http://boingboing.net/2015/01/14/how-crowdfunding-helps-hate...

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

I know exactly how you feel. For the past year, my main gaming rig has been on another continent and I've been making do with what I could play on a cruddy little netbook running Linux. It's probably been my best year of gaming ever. I've been an old west robot prospector. I've seen a man have sex with a giant goldfish. I've tried to get a mouse to wear a hat. I've consoled a grieving child. After all that was done,…

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Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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I can already hear the debate raging about weather or not the images or particular examples in this article are acceptable or defensible or not. I think it's totally fine for the comics that this one shop has are there. Artistic freedom! Great! What's not super is that it's really the only kind. It's like netflix with only action movies. This article should feature a bunch of blank photos representing the comics that…

I know exactly how you feel. For the past year, my main gaming rig has been on another continent and I've been making do with what I could play on a cruddy little netbook running Linux. It's probably been my best year of gaming ever. I've been an old west robot prospector. I've seen a man have sex with a giant goldfish. I've tried to get a mouse to wear a hat. I've consoled a grieving child. After all that was done,…

Great point. Indie games are good for helping you realize how much hard work goes into triple-A games and can really help you appreciate them again with fresh eyes (and totally more affordable on the hardware front! :-)

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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For a young girl, it looks like the new Batgirl might fit the bill well [1]. Not trying to minimize the issue, I just thought the author might like this for their daughter.

[1]: http://36.media.tumblr.com/98dffc116ba398dd71703e02abd7518b/...

http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0256cc6e4845526b9b9444935a6b287/...

Re: What taking my daughter to a comic book store taught me

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That feels weird to me because I like comics (I am from Europe, so "european comics" is a weird name for what I'd roughly translate to `Drawn stories` or `graphic novels`) and there are a lot of interesting indie or ya comics out there ( edit : I mean, in the US too). I suppose comics bookstore are just dump ground for Marvel/DC/Images/DH production of the week ? For a 8-12 years-old, of the top of my mind: http://ww…

As a Norwegian (where translated French and Belgian titles as well as US translated imports and a wide range of our own production tends to be available in nearly every grocery store, gas station or corner store), who now lives in the UK (very similar comic culture to the US, and with very limited own production) and who have visited a few US comic stores too:

The US market is dominated by superhero comics, with some book versions of newspaper strips, and a small segment of other stuff. From a non-UK European point of view, it's a very strange experience. Though I love the superhero comics, I also grew up with a wide range of alternatives.

The first time I went into a comic store in the UK was a shocking experience. Not least because of how thin and filled with ads the US stuff was.

Basically the US format is to bombard the market with a massive number of titles, fill it with ads, and pump out a tiny number of pages each issue.

When there was a regular translated Spiderman title in Norway, it was edited together from the stories in something like 4-5 different US titles, in order to get a single magazine of sufficient number of pages to be viable in the Norwegian market. Trying to publish multiple titles for a single character would be seen as suicide. Instead the Scandinavian approach is generally to publish titles with a single "headline" character and then guest stints of a few pages of smaller characters. When guest series gets popular, they get to try out their own titles.

Some main titles get odd in that they get a level of popularity whereby even if the main series may not be drawn any more the magazine is kept alive, and eventually the guest series kinda "takes over" more and more - Calvin and Hobbes survived that way as a monthly title in Norway for a decade after Watterson ended the series.

I think the US publishers basically have shot themselves in the foot this way, by creating an image for comics as cheap and trashy childrens entertainment, and so massively limiting their audience, as reflected in the extremely low sales numbers even for the top series.

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