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Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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Other companies fix such bugs in days .

Other companies do not develop enterprise operating systems.

For one, IBM does, and has for some time. Others in the thread note that Red Hat and others do. Apple does iOs, which runs on far more devices than anything else mentiond in this thread.

Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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How is it a fallacy? Because management is incompetent? If your budget goes from 1M to 10M even a child could show you how to spend 1M and throw the rest into a big fire or something. Maybe run two agile teams at 1M each.

I honestly can't tell if you are attempting parody or being serious.

I'm perfectly serious. Perhaps I misread the comment I am replying to.

Flat out 'more money to fix the problem' should never make things slower. Worst case you can ignore the money.

Even if it's too late to add people for project X, you should be able to use the money for something to improve productivity on project X+3.

If I'm wrong about something please explain.

Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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So there are 3 issues [1] against OS X, released a while ago, and one against Microsoft. Why the HN focus on the Windows bugs? At least Microsoft is communicating with Google, and have patches planned, just not on the exact timeline of the arbitrary 90 day deadline. Is there something about the OS X ones that doesn't warrant the same exposure/discussion? [1] https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/l…

I think the issue is not the bug count, but that Microsoft tells Google "we will release a fix on day X," and Google says "X is past an arbitrary day we chose, so sad" and discloses a zero-day. Some people think it's an irresponsible PR stunt by Google, others that Microsoft would just put off fixes forever if Google didn't do this. Maybe there's a similar story with OS X, but there doesn't seem to be a public record…

No, I think the "issue" is that Apple doesn't talk to the media, while Microsoft immediately complained to some big tech sites about it, which then wrote the story from Microsoft's point of view.

Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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post #51

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Other companies do not develop enterprise operating systems.

For one, IBM does, and has for some time. Others in the thread note that Red Hat and others do. Apple does iOs, which runs on far more devices than anything else mentiond in this thread.

The total number of iPhones is not really relevant to the discussion, the number of iPhone models is. Testing a fix on an enumerable number of iPhone models in the wild (lets say iPhone 4, 4s, 5, 5c, 5s, 6, 6+) is nowhere near the complexity of testing Windows against the variety of devices that it would need to be validated against.

Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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post #16

So there are 3 issues [1] against OS X, released a while ago, and one against Microsoft. Why the HN focus on the Windows bugs? At least Microsoft is communicating with Google, and have patches planned, just not on the exact timeline of the arbitrary 90 day deadline. Is there something about the OS X ones that doesn't warrant the same exposure/discussion? [1] https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/l…

Because a Windows zero-day is a major risk to our economic system as our business and governments infrastructures run on MS products for the most part. OSX just doesn't have that level of install base and for the most part its installed on consumer/residential equipment. Heck, most OSX shops I've been part of have bog standard Windows AD on the back-end. Windows, good or bad, is everywhere that matters. Google seems…

In my experience, the only kind of PHP (or any) app where you can change just one line and walk away is a well written one. It's the poorly written ones where you have to change dozens or hundreds of lines, and run away screaming. But point taken.

Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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3 months is a long ass time to produce a patch.

Even if we're talking about such a massive roll-out to millions of machines, with various versions of the OS running on various hardware? I don't know how easy or not the actual patch is to produce, but it's not out of the realm of possibilities that they did run into a compatibility issue that they wanted more time to sort out. Think of the outcry and damage to their business if they rolled out a patch that accident…

And if we're talking about a true 0-day being exploited in the wild? Microsoft is still unable to get a patch out in less than 90 days time? That's flat unacceptable. They need to be more responsive than that.

Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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I think the issue is not the bug count, but that Microsoft tells Google "we will release a fix on day X," and Google says "X is past an arbitrary day we chose, so sad" and discloses a zero-day. Some people think it's an irresponsible PR stunt by Google, others that Microsoft would just put off fixes forever if Google didn't do this. Maybe there's a similar story with OS X, but there doesn't seem to be a public record…

I really dislike your description because while it is technically true it heavily implies that they decided on dates on a per-bug case, when they decided on a flat 90 days.

Then again, 90 days contains 2.5 of their fix cycles. If the vulnerability really is serious, and they can't fix it in that time line, they should exit the business.

Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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RedHat runs on no where near as many devices as Windows does.

Since Redhat is a distribution of Linux, how many Android installs are there?

? Nobody is running redhat on their android phone.

Re: Google discloses another Windows security issue after deadline exceeded

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It should be noted as a point on this specific bug that, since wasn't fixed in the EXTRA time allotted and subsequently disclosed, this is a good thing. Impersonation is something that Windows Administrators can readily disable and manipulate via Group Policies and Active Directory. There's not a one-fix-for-all disable in this case, because impersonation is used in very nuanced ways. That being said, every organization can quickly and with a little effort tighten up their impersonation rights.
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