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Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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Funny how Slovene seems to tick all the complications checkboxes :D We have 4 grammatical numbers (singular, dual, plural for 3 and 4, plural for 5 and above), they repeat at mod 100 (so 101 is singular, 102 dual,…), it's an inflectional language with 3 grammatical genders, sentence should take a different form depending on whether the user is male or female,…

Just curious... are Slovene web services more likely to ask your gender after you sign up so they can get the grammar right or do they just go with 'male' or something?

Russian speaker here; I don't think it would be relevant, since services ought to be addressing you in second person, which I believe is gender-neutral in just about every Slavic language.

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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Kudos to the author of the article for his perseverance in decorating message to fit grammar. I'd go another way, just using more formal and dry format: Number of scanned directories: %g Number of found files: %g That solves the problem with Slavic languages at least. Italian aversion to 0 may be mitigated with printing 'none', I guess. Please correct me if this form does not fit other languages.

This is my preferred solution as well. As a bonus, it makes parsing the data so much easier, if you ever need it.

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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You may not notice it. But there are other people who do. That is the difference between a very well designed product or a product, which just does the job. That is the reason why engineers should not design interfaces. That should be left to UI/UX experts. Just the other day, I as an engineer myself, complained to another that his product does the job nicely and looks OK. But it was missing this little twist of a fi…

Of course, I'm sure there are people who notice this. My question was whether something like this makes enough of a difference to justify the investment. As a developer you only have a limited amount of funds and time to spend on your product. Your goal is to invest these in a way that gives you the biggest returns. Of course it's great to not just have a translation that "does the job" and if you can do better you d…

> Of course, I'm sure there are people who notice this. My question was whether something like this makes enough of a difference to justify the investment.

Honestly - probably not. And that's exactly why we live in the world that is full of crappy stuff that works barely enough to get sold. I personally strongly appreciate when someone, however little economical sense that may have, goes the extra mile and makes their product polished. I'm willing to pay for it.

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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The two Turkish letters dotted and dotless i are often confused by users of poorly localised software. Wikipedia links to a murder case allegedly caused by this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dotted_and_dotless_I A real horror story. (Less seriously, Unicode has counterintuitive case-changing behaviours with those letters. If you are working outside the Turkish locale and uppercase a dotless I and then lowercase it, i…

Link to the case in question: http://gizmodo.com/382026/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two...

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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I don't know, in Russian either "ты" (singular/informal) or "вы" (plural/formal) works fine for both genders. Now, for your example, Google translated result is "Вы уверены, что хотите выйти?" which seems fine to me!

"Wy" (plural you) don't work for single person in Polish, it sounds like "communist-speach" to us (almost like you called people "tovarishch") :) It was only used by soviet puppet politicians during communism (as carbon copy of Russian expression). So it needs "Ty" (singular you), and with singular you "sure" translates to "pewien" for male recipients and "pewna" for female. In Polish it should be "Jesteś pewny(or pe…

How is that typically handled in software? I can also imagine non-software examples where this might be hard (A sign reading "Warning: you are entering a restricted area", etc.)

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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I agree. Frozen, and other Pixar/Disney/Dreamworks children movies (like Shrek) tend to be of awesome quality in all languages. But I attribute this to the fact that those movies are not translated - they're being localized , which by definition requires much more work and paying much closer attention.

Nitpick: Shrek is a Dreamworks Animation movie.

Thanks. Updated the comment.

I don't watch this type of movies often so I tend to bundle them together into "Pixareque" category in my mind ;).

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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The two Turkish letters dotted and dotless i are often confused by users of poorly localised software. Wikipedia links to a murder case allegedly caused by this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dotted_and_dotless_I A real horror story. (Less seriously, Unicode has counterintuitive case-changing behaviours with those letters. If you are working outside the Turkish locale and uppercase a dotless I and then lowercase it, i…

The Turkish I problem is seriously annoying. We recently tried adding Turkish translations to our website, only to find that .NET suddenly treats DataRow("ID") differently than DataRow("id") when your locale is set to Turkish.

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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The Latin American Spanish localization of Dreamworks's Shrek is a great example. They brought in Eugenio Derbez, a Mexican comedian, to voice Donkey (voiced in English by Eddie Murphy). Donkey in particular speaks in colloquialisms and pop culture references with wordplay, so Derbez wrote a bunch of new lines and jokes that referenced Latin American colloquialisms and pop culture. Children learn different fairy tale…

@daxelrod: Wow, thanks for that. Quite interesting. I always wondered about how that was done and if it was a direct conversion of sorts but I guess it's not. Very interesting. I just have to ask: How do you know this?

All of this information comes from the teacher of a Spanish class I took (we watched the Latin American version of Shrek in the class). I wish I had some more tangible sources to cite.

EDIT: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0220240/otherworks: "Jeffrey Katzenberg and Dreamworks allowed [Eugenio Derbez] not only to dub Donkey's voice, but to translate and adapt the script of "Shrek" and "Shrek 2" to make it more appealing to Latin America"

I also remember that the Gingerbread Man was one of the characters who was altered, but I don't remember the name of the Latin American replacement.

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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Slightly OT, mi favourite localization error was in Ubuntu when they had that nice netbook interface (that later would become Unity). The network icon label was "Rojo" in the Spanish localization, that is the word for "red" color. What? Well, if you translate "Net" to Spanish you get "Red"; and if you translate that again (by mistake), you get "Rojo". There you are :)

OT means Out of Topic? In french we say HS (for Hors Sujet).

A fitting reply in the localization discussion!

Re: A Localization Horror Story: It Could Happen to You

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I don't know why nobody seems to put information like "warning: this phone's UI in is total and utter crap". Anyway, what you wrote is exactly why I stick to using all software and webservices - OS, text editors, Facebook, et al. - in en_US instead of my native pl_PL. Because translations are always crappy - even for big players. Lack of context is the key here - translated text often feels out of place, because ther…

> I don't know why nobody seems to put information like "warning: this phone's UI in is total and utter crap". This is what makes me use SW and equipment only in English. Translations are pretty much useless (and of course, Googling the English error messages usually gives the best results)

I have tended to use the localised version of os an sw, not because I prefer it but because I often ended up supporting end users with localized versions.
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