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Re: Italia Startup Visa

#151
I'd like to ask to all these complaining italians that are telling people to stay away from their home country: how many of you are still in Italy and what are you doing to change things?

I don't think that throwing shit (true or not) and scaring international talents from coming to Italy opening their own startup is a good way to help.

Disclaimer: I'm Italian, living and running my company in NL since 3 years.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Hey, good luck finding a decent internet connection outside of the main cities. My parents live an hour from Milan and they get 3G at best.

It's not like in other nations there's great internet in the countryside.

...and having worked remotely with people from Southern California for the last couple of years, it looks like they're in a generally worse state than us (northern Italians), at least from a network stability perspective

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Hey, good luck finding a decent internet connection outside of the main cities. My parents live an hour from Milan and they get 3G at best.

I live in a very small town 40Km from Milan and I get 20Mb/s ADSL: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4061090445

Lombardy is not Italy, you know. Come down here in Catanzaro (where i'm from) and let's talk about this again.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

#154

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Yeah sure. Go open a startup company in Naples, wait for someone to ask you for /pizzo/ and let's talk again about this.

You know how much is the protection tax in zones controlled by organized crime? 3% of your profit. You know how much the state takes from your (revenue - expenses)? At least 66%.

Yup, and those two sum up.

It's not State XOR Mafia. It's state AND Mafia. As if state alone was not enough.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

#155

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I'm from Italy as well. As everyone else, I am dissatisfied with how Italy is run, but it's _disgusting_ to see how many Italians living abroad claim the right to hurl mud at Italy. I think the real challenge is to stay here, not to run away abroad. As a proof, here we ended up talking of mafia and corruption, following common stereotypes and therefore giving a distorted idea of Italy. I think most of the people that…

I'm 3rd generation of Italians that emigrated to Brazil. Regions with lots of Italian immigrants like Buenos Aires in Argentina or Sao Paulo in Brazil can resonate with every feeling in this thread.

Do not take it personally, but I cannot think of any major problem attributable to Italy to be any better in Brazil or Argentina.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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I can comment on this, being from Oregon and living in Italy:-) Basically, this kind of thing happens everywhere. It just happens more in some places. Back to this: > - There are some absolutely excellent open source developers who can be hired much more cheaply than the US. I can confirm this. I think a valid strategy would be to open up the main office somewhere else, and do some R&D in Italy. There are good develo…

Yes I confirm this. I live in Italy but the company I co-founded in San Francisco runs thanks to Italian engineering talent. And that's good for starting, not so sure when you raise round A - a good one. If you have money to spend it's probably better to move everyone to California. Don't you think? However it's true that the quality of life in Italy is a lot higher than the Bay Area, but you need to stop fighting th…

What I'm saying is that corruption is everywhere, just in very different quantities. Truth be told, I think Oregon is generally a bit less corrupt and a bit more egalitarian than California is, but that's just my impression.

> If you have money to spend it's probably better to move everyone to California. Don't you think?

Not really - it's cheaper to hire someone in Italy, so with a given amount of money, you have more runway, or can hire more people. Also, the US immigration stuff sucks pretty badly and is not easy.

> And again, do you think that Portland is like Italy

I lived there a year. It's a nice place in a lot of ways, but not where I want to be. The weather ( http://forecast.io/#/f/45.5118,-122.6756 ) is very, very tiring for someone who likes the sun. You think it's bad in northern Italy... hah! It's a little bit bigger than I happen to care for (I like the size of Padova a lot), but without all things a really big, important city has. De gustibus... though, as they say. It's worth checking out in January to see if you can handle the weather, because it's a lot cheaper than the bay area. Oregon is a beautiful place to visit in August.

Feel free to send me email if you'd like to know more about Oregon!

Re: Italia Startup Visa

#157

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Explain me how do you pretend to change something when your clients are paying 50% of what the clients in other countries are willing to pay (if they pay, 'cause lots really like to delay payments indefinitely), while your suppliers are constantly banging your door to pay (rightly) them, and while your government 5 days a week is trying everything possible to shut your business down? Be serious, go abroad for 3 month…

You won't find anyone who disagrees with you on this. This is not the point, however. Everyone in Italy is disappointed. But if you're going abroad, there are good chances that you're one of those who can make the difference. And if those who can make the difference go abroad, how do you pretend to change things here? Let me only say that this: if Italy is a sinking boat, people who leave the country, they don't have…

The captain is the one who is not supposed to leave the boat, not everyone else...

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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I'm from Italy as well. As everyone else, I am dissatisfied with how Italy is run, but it's _disgusting_ to see how many Italians living abroad claim the right to hurl mud at Italy. I think the real challenge is to stay here, not to run away abroad. As a proof, here we ended up talking of mafia and corruption, following common stereotypes and therefore giving a distorted idea of Italy. I think most of the people that…

I second this. "I think the real challenge is to stay here, not to run away abroad". It hurts me hearing those expats talking shit about our country. I can't imagine how they change perception of Italy to everyone they get in touch with. To those of you, stop bashing and start being the first change you want to see.

Expat here.

I always thought that the perception of a country in foreign eyes is due to the contact with people of said country.

I try to remember every day that the perception that my friends and collegues abroad have of Italy is due in some small part to my own actions as a representative of that country.

So please, let's try to avoid generalizing. Not all Italians abroad are mercenaries or quitters that shit on they country they were born in.

I would say that most of us aren't.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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You know how much is the protection tax in zones controlled by organized crime? 3% of your profit. You know how much the state takes from your (revenue - expenses)? At least 66%.

Yup, and those two sum up. It's not State XOR Mafia. It's state AND Mafia. As if state alone was not enough.

Of course they sum up. My point is that there's a much bigger problem in the cost of doing business than the protection tax. About 22 times bigger.
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