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Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by napolux »

hackerboos wrote: post #72
gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

Is the mafia still a problem in mainland Italy? Serious question...

A little subtle than in the 90s, but for sure it's still present.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by olgeni »

gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

On a more positive note, the State will probably kill the company way before it's noticed by criminals.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by mobiplayer »

gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

You just described Spain.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by lawl »

CalRobert wrote: post #55
s3nnyy wrote: post #32

Wouldn't this be a great way for non-EU citizens to get a residence-permit within the EU? Then, one could move and work in more lucrative places, like Switzerland. (Full disclosure: I am interested in tech-recruiting in Switzerland - see https://medium.com/@techrecruiting.ch/eight-reasons-why-i-mo... )

You'll want to check out: Dutch American Friendship Treaty (if you can self-employ and are from the US this could be your best option) Blue Card (If you can get a job in Germany) Irish Startup Visa ( http://www.pond-crosser.com/uk-and-ireland/republic-ireland/... ) Disclaimer - I put up pond-crosser a while ago to keep track of some of these things. Switzerland is lovely but their population recently voted to restric…

> Switzerland is lovely but their population recently voted to restrict free movement of workers with the EU so maybe not ideal.

No we haven't :) What was voted on was that the gov. should be able to cap the number of immigrants per year if necessary. That has neither been done yet, nor will anything change in practice because the EU puts too much pressure on this.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by danmaz74 »

raverbashing wrote: post #63
IndianAstronaut wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Italy is ranked as more corrupt than Brazil, South Africa and Bulgaria. It has very serious problems with crime and corruption. http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results#myAnchor1

Don't believe in any ranking blindly, also The Corruption Perceptions Index ranks countries and territories based on how corrupt their public sector is perceived to be It's a PERCEPTIONS rank. "Very serious problems with crime" compared to what?

This is exactly the problem.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by napolux »

gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

@gruturo la finiamo con sta storia del buon cibo, del tempo, ecc???

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by danmaz74 »

Fede_V wrote: post #40

Ehh, I thought I was negative about Italy, but seeing what everyone else is saying, I'm probably the most positive person here. The pros: - There are some absolutely excellent open source developers who can be hired much more cheaply than the US. - Life is excellent. Italy is a really beautiful country. - Lots of incredibly low hanging fruits. Italy has a lot of great companies that makes excellent products the entir…

> This does not affect start ups, but once you grow to more than 15 employees, staff hired full time is basically impossible to fire. This is very slowly getting changed.

This just changed a lot from January 1st.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by IlPeach »

hackerboos wrote: post #72
gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

Is the mafia still a problem in mainland Italy? Serious question...

yup, it's widespread and has become part of the culture in many places, regardless in any part of Italy, in the south to certain extremes.

Re: Italia Startup Visa

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Post by andreamazz »

DaniFong wrote: post #19
gruturo wrote: post #11

One piece of advice from an Italian, who was born and grew up there: It's a suicide, absolutely do NOT do this. We have the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it. But opening a business in that dysfunctional country? RUN and don't look back. Between fiscal pressure, crazy laws and compliances, the effective presumption of guilt, completely broken or unavailable infrastructure in the hand of mon…

"the best weather, culture, food, wine, beaches, etc, you name it." Hmm. Why not go there, write some code for the broader world, start the business somewhere else?

Just to give you an example of the idiocy of our bureaucracy: paying a subscription to the Google Apps (around 3 euros per month per user) is considered like importing physical goods, therefore every 3 months we have to submit a form called 'Intrastat'. Since the bureaucracy is insane you need to pay a professional to handle the madness, so on top of the small Google fee you need to pay an additional ~50 euros every three months. On top of that, the next month you need to submit a form called F24, paying a tax on the 50 euros you just spent for nothing. Oh but the food is great.
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