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Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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Mobile computer tech, here. War story follows. I handle high single-figures of these adware and/or potentially unwanted programs (PUPs) infestations every week. Mostly it's Windows 7 and 90% adware/PUPs-centric, occasionally ransomware. In the huge majority of cases, the following will get a computer back up and sorted in a sensible amount of (billable) time: First, bring known-good copies of AdwCleaner, Junkware Rem…

Is there any particular reason you don't just backup all of the user's personal files/configurations, note what programs they have installed and then reformat/reinstall? Doing this you would be 100% adware free and the client might even notice/appreciate the speed boost of a fresh install.

> Is there any particular reason you don't just backup all of the user's personal files/configurations, note what programs they have installed and then reformat/reinstall?

Mostly down to client feedback. Personally, I'd much prefer to have the nuke and rebuild approach. I offer this as a preference (safer, faster, etc), but the familiarity of these pokey vendor-supplied apps for photos and the like is a very strong draw for folks.

The burden of technical knowledge doesn't run deep. They want a low-price laptop, and all their stuff safe and sound. The value they place in their data is, in my experience/anecdotally, proportional to their purchasing habits.

Most don't have hard drive backups, despite my continued insistence. Years of photos just get stockpiled without any recourse to a backup. There's some interesting psychology at stake, too; knowing that photos are there and actually referring to them are too entirely different things.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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If you have an ssd and more than one Apple device, each device you synch eats up about 10gb of space or more. If you have a spouse with an iPhone in addition to yours, a kid or two with itouches, then that can easily eat up 50+Gb of an ssd drive. This can be a very significant percentage of your drive!! And there's no way to change it to anything by the c drive on windows.

There is a complex method of changing the backup drive by setting up symlinks. It is user-hostile of Apple to force use of C:\

If you have a Mac with more than one hard drive, one of which is an SSD, you probably know how to set up symlinks.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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This is the #1 reason Windows is no longer on my kid's computers; it's too easy to install crap-ware no matter what security package you use.

You can disallow software installation on any OS. Heck, corporate IT admins have been doing just that for decades. But hey, you might be a non-technical user, in which case, I agree with your choice.

I do look upon myself as a technical user but if I'm still not technical enough to figure out how to prevent even less technical users from installing crap on their computers (without hindering their usefulness) then that is a fundamental fault of the OS.

You shouldn't have to be a technical user to avoid crap-ware being on your PC - but I'm glad you agree that Windows isn't the best option for us non-technical people.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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There was a discussion on here recently. Apparently Ask.com makes something like $400+ mil per year. Mind boggling. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8762663

Oracle makes $billions per year. There's no reason to bundle Ask. Despicable.

Yea but it will be attempts to make business subgroups self funding that led to this. Under sun java was the cherry-on-top of their hardware / gateway drug to their server side hardware. I doubt oracle look at it like that.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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I've seen non-technically people enter "www.facebook.com" into the google search bar.

Anyone can do that, even people that know where they should type the URL! Do you always carefully check that the right box has the keyboard focus before you start typing?

This isn't once off. This is people who think that's how your supposed to use the internet.

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"if you aren't using your computer for work" Even that's not much of a challenge. Many years ago when my wife started working at home on her mac (1st gen mac mini so this must be about a decade ago?) corporate IT had a few puzzles to solve, but even a decade ago everything was moving to either web or rdesktop or vnc. If you can get the corporate windows guys to implement a workaround or whatever to allow macs to be u…

> I'm struggling to think of a stereotypical desk job that can't be done with a browser and perhaps rdesktop on the side. The exceptions I can think of like 3-D cad would be a problem, but that's not stereotypical desk job work.

Totally agree. The situation has improved so much in that regard - even if you don't have native apps for your platform, there is good chance there's a bunch of online services that can help you do the very same thing.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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> Whose fault exactly is it? People who think that software should be free, as in beer. Developers have to be paid. When people paid for software with dollars, this exchange was much more straightforward. But now people think that software should be free as in beer, which means it comes with ad software or "sponsored software" that in turns sells ads, or spies on everything you do, or something to pay the bills.

Well, I disagree. There's a ton of software that is being developed and distributed for free because the authors actually care about solving a problem. Not all software needs to be sold, not all developers do it for money. For many people money is the problem (you need to put time to get it which could be better used to build useful stuff), not the goal. Some developers choose to sell their software, and they have th…

I think you two might agree, but are talking past each other.

Of course TemMPOraL is right: There's nothing wrong with someone who truly wants to give away software for free. Saying that's wrong is saying that any act of generosity, kindness or charity is wrong.

But Daniel is not saying that free software is the problem, but that "People who think that software should be free" is the problem. When people expect software and web services to be free, producers who can't afford to give it away free are forced[1] to resort to other means. And when he says that for people paying "for software with dollars, this exchange was much more straightforward", he is echoing Maciej Cegłowski[2] of pinboard in his call: Don't Be a Free User[3].

The real problem is not free software, but software that dishonestly claims to be free. Ad supported software is not free[4]. Software that is monetized by pushing other software is not free. Software that sells your data is not free. Software that hooks people first and then pushes in-app purchases[5] is not free.

I'm actively working on how to get us out of this mess. If you're interested give me a holler.

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[1] I'm being generous. I think anyone who is ethical and honest with themselves wouldn't allow themselves to be forced into doing anything dishonest. "You can't get permission for the wrong thing and don't need it for the right thing" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8877192)

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=idlewords

[3] https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8585237

[5] I call this the drug dealer business model. Microsoft perfected this in they way they got everyone hooked on DOS, then Windows and then Office, and then took it to a new level by giving away IE for "free".

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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ive found malwarebytes rootkit detection to be roughly as effective as tdsskiller. it's not enabled by default, or you can download it as a separate product. mcafee has one too. rootkit buster has never detected a thing in my experience. i still run it first just to see if it ever will. https://www.malwarebytes.org/antirootkit/

I'm not familiar with Malwarebytes Antirootkit, but TDSSKiller from Kaspersky searches for 1 single rootkit, TDSS, and performs a removal. I haven't done this type of work in a while but 3-4 years ago it was the defacto tool of choice for dealing with MBR infections.

TDSSKiller removes the following.

List of malicious programs: Rootkit.Win32.TDSS, Rootkit.Win32.Stoned.d, Rootkit.Boot.Cidox.a, Rootkit.Boot.SST.a, Rootkit.Boot.Pihar.a,b,c, Rootkit.Boot.CPD.a, Rootkit.Boot.Bootkor.a, Rootkit.Boot.MyBios.b, Rootkit.Win32.TDSS.mbr, Rootkit.Boot.Wistler.a, Rootkit.Win32.ZAccess.aml,c,e,f,g,h,i,j,k, Rootkit.Boot.SST.b, Rootkit.Boot.Fisp.a, Rootkit.Boot.Nimnul.a, Rootkit.Boot.Batan.a, Rootkit.Boot.Lapka.a, Rootkit.Boot.Goodkit.a, Rootkit.Boot.Clones.a, Rootkit.Boot.Xpaj.a, Rootkit.Boot.Yurn.a, Rootkit.Boot.Prothean.a, Rootkit.Boot.Plite.a, Rootkit.Boot.Geth.a, Rootkit.Boot.CPD.b, Backdoor.Win32.Trup.a,b, Backdoor.Win32.Sinowal.knf,kmy, Backdoor.Win32.Phanta.a,b, Virus.Win32.TDSS.a,b,c,d,e, Virus.Win32.Rloader.a, Virus.Win32.Cmoser.a, Virus.Win32.Zhaba.a,b,c, Trojan-Clicker.Win32.Wistler.a,b,c, Trojan-Dropper.Boot.Niwa.a, Trojan-Ransom.Boot.Mbro.d, e, Trojan-Ransom.Boot.Siob.a, Trojan-Ransom.Boot.Mbro.f.

Re: What Happens When You Install the Top Download.com Apps

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At that level (you're using linux, know what 'root' is, how to access root and how to execute a shell file as root) you're being lazy if something like that bites you in the ass.

Also its possible to screw up a system that way, but its easier / lazier to just install the wrapper package that takes care of everything including dependencies. So on freebsd, pkg install nvidia-driver, or on legacy linux apt-get install nvidia-driver and you're all done. Someone looking for trouble could do it the hard and dangerous way, but why? Also commercial software other than possibly games, is dead man walk…

freebsd or "legacy linux" "commercial software ... is dead man walking"

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