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IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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The part about the in-memory analytics reminds me a lot of the SAP HANA spiel:

    Transaction Database --> copy -->  analytics db   = slow
    
    In-memory transactions with built-in analytics    = fast 
I totally understand the value of analytics and BI applications, but does it all have to be realtime? And what "mobile analytics" are they going to compute exactly? Forget analytics, I can tell you what mobile users are doing right now---they're all playing candy crush.

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literally every device used by consumers today can be traced back to IBM.

How so? How does an ARM powered smartphone or tablet trace back to IBM?

It's a lot easier to claim that all modern processors (that are based on a load/store architecture... All RISC chips, basically... and that includes x86) trace back to the CDC 6600, probably Seymour Cray's most direct and influential gift to the world of computing.

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How so? How does an ARM powered smartphone or tablet trace back to IBM?

It's a lot easier to claim that all modern processors (that are based on a load/store architecture... All RISC chips, basically... and that includes x86) trace back to the CDC 6600, probably Seymour Cray's most direct and influential gift to the world of computing.

I can get behind that. Control data, or it will control you!

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what's a transaction in this context?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_processing_system

I know that but this is a very general definition of TPS. How many CPU cycles a transaction requires? It varies on the transaction of course.

So I am wondering why they use TPS as a unit when it can be anything.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_processing_system

I know that but this is a very general definition of TPS. How many CPU cycles a transaction requires? It varies on the transaction of course. So I am wondering why they use TPS as a unit when it can be anything.

They use TPS as a unit because that's how large banks and other transaction oriented entities do their provisioning and capacity planning. That's their 'unit', not CPU cycles.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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I've found some specs: - up to 141 configurable processors - new 22nm 8-core processor chip@5GHZ - 110GIPS - Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD) support - On chip cryptographic and compression coprocessors - up to 10 TB of memory (configured as 'memory raid', RAIM) PDF is here: http://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/zs/en/zsd03035usen/...

I'm curious what one might expect something like this to cost.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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I've found some specs: - up to 141 configurable processors - new 22nm 8-core processor chip@5GHZ - 110GIPS - Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD) support - On chip cryptographic and compression coprocessors - up to 10 TB of memory (configured as 'memory raid', RAIM) PDF is here: http://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/zs/en/zsd03035usen/...

I'm curious what one might expect something like this to cost.

For the previous generation: "IBM doesn’t publish prices for mainframes but the word on the street is that it is around $80,000 per core for a [Linux/Java core] compared to $400,000 per core for regular [cores] that mostly run z/OS" http://www.enterprisetech.com/2013/10/09/ibm-slashes-hardwar... I'm not sure whether that's the amortized total price or just the activation after you've already bought the machine.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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How so? How does an ARM powered smartphone or tablet trace back to IBM?

When you press the main button. BOOM! Interrupt! That is one example. They even had virtualization in the 80's on System / 370 long VMWare came out.

There was the operating systems CMS and CP67 done by the IBM Cambridge Scientific Center for the IBM 360/67 in, right, about 1967. The CP67 was control program 67 and was for virtual machine. CMS was Cambridge Monitor Systems, maybe off and on Conversational Monitor System, and the command-line time-sharing operating system users saw.

CP67 was intended as a means for interactive, time-shared operating system development. So, right, could run CP67 on CP67 -- once that was done 7 levels deep.

The combination CP67/CMS was, for the time, a total dream for a time sharing system.

Stop malicious code? Sure: On CP67 write and run any code, any instructions doing anything you want with any data you want, and you just cannot bother any other users. So, could run malicious code safely.

I used CP67/CMS and PL/I from National CSS Time Sharing in Stamford, CT to schedule the fleet at FedEx. Founder, COB, CEO Fred Smith's remark about the output was "Amazing document" "Solved the most important problem facing FedEx". The Board was pleased and a nice chunk of funding was enabled. It literally saved the company. No, Fred never gave me my promised stock, that once he said would be worth $500,000. Add a few zeros for now.

Since then CP67 was called VM, and for years IBM's internal computing was done on about 3600 mainframes around the world and all running VM/CMS and connected with VNET which was a lot like the Internet except the communications were via bisync lines and the routing was done by the mainframes themselves. No, that setup didn't depend on Systems Network Architecture (SNA). Yes, there were a lot of fora!

The advantages of running on VM were too good to pass up, so eventually essentially all production IBM mainframes were running their operating systems as guests on VM on the bare metal.

In virtual machine, IBM was way out in front.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you press the main button. BOOM! Interrupt! That is one example. They even had virtualization in the 80's on System / 370 long VMWare came out.

http://virtualirfan.com/history-of-interrupts So no on that one. Visualiation? You mean virtualization. That was a given, Turing should be credited with that, after all the whole idea of a universal Turing machine is that it can emulate any other Turing machine (including another universal one).

VM is not really an emulation. If the guest's code is just user level code, then it just runs as usual directly in the hardware processor. But if in the guest's code there is a privileged instruction, that is, an instruction reserved for an operating system, then the VM gets an interrupt and, then, decides if VM wants to execute the privileged instruction on behalf of the guest. To make this all efficient, there is some hardware called virtual machine assist.
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