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IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

#11

Post by serf »

jacquesm wrote: post #6
_RPM wrote: post #4

literally every device used by consumers today can be traced back to IBM.

How so? How does an ARM powered smartphone or tablet trace back to IBM?

Well, off the top of my head, and unlikely to be the only association..

IBM licensed the 286 for the IBM PC/AT. Acorn wanted to use the 286 for the Archimedes, but Intel would not allow licensing. This forced Acorn to create their own processor, resulting in the first RISC based consumer PC.

Perhaps that snowballs into our current tech environment.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

#12

Post by TallGuyShort »

jacquesm wrote: post #5

That's a fairly content free release as these come. Nothing about the actual architecture, clearly aimed at managers rather than techies, IBM does enterprise sales very well. But of course I'm more interested in the nitty gritty details (though I'll likely never be in a position to pull the trigger on a purchase like this). Funny how Linux is mentioned in the press release, and other platforms don't even rate a menti…

Never mind this specific release - you never hear about other platforms on System Z period. Linux got a s/390 port quite early on, and SUSE and Red Hat both support it, but no, Windows, Mac, BSD, etc. are unheard of in this world. You can mess with Fedora / Debian images for that architecture on your desktop using Hercules.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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Post by jacquesm »

serf wrote: post #11
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? How does an ARM powered smartphone or tablet trace back to IBM?

Well, off the top of my head, and unlikely to be the only association.. IBM licensed the 286 for the IBM PC/AT. Acorn wanted to use the 286 for the Archimedes, but Intel would not allow licensing. This forced Acorn to create their own processor, resulting in the first RISC based consumer PC. Perhaps that snowballs into our current tech environment.

Exactly, that's why I picked ARM. So that line does not trace back to IBM in any way, besides, Intel isn't IBM.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

#14

Post by jacquesm »

I've found some specs:

- up to 141 configurable processors

- new 22nm 8-core processor chip@5GHZ

- 110GIPS

- Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD) support

- On chip cryptographic and compression coprocessors

- up to 10 TB of memory (configured as 'memory raid', RAIM)

PDF is here: http://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/zs/en/zsd03035usen/...

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

#15

Post by serf »

jacquesm wrote: post #13
serf wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, off the top of my head, and unlikely to be the only association.. IBM licensed the 286 for the IBM PC/AT. Acorn wanted to use the 286 for the Archimedes, but Intel would not allow licensing. This forced Acorn to create their own processor, resulting in the first RISC based consumer PC. Perhaps that snowballs into our current tech environment.

Exactly, that's why I picked ARM. So that line does not trace back to IBM in any way, besides, Intel isn't IBM.

So that line does not trace back to IBM in any way, besides, Intel isn't IBM.

eh.. sorta.[0].

IBM had significant stake in Intel during the time period we're talking about, and that whole period was filled with anti-trust talk, which turned into actual anti-trust fire a few years later in the 90s.

I may not have been blunt enough in my other comment, but I was alluding to the idea that IBM and Intel may have been involved in anti-competitive behavior against Acorn, which caused them to innovate in such a way that created the systems we enjoy today (modern mobile). The idea that the pressures on the company spawned innovation.

[0]: http://articles.latimes.com/1987-08-29/business/fi-1393_1_in...

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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Post by jacquesm »

serf wrote: post #15
jacquesm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, that's why I picked ARM. So that line does not trace back to IBM in any way, besides, Intel isn't IBM.

So that line does not trace back to IBM in any way, besides, Intel isn't IBM. eh.. sorta.[0]. IBM had significant stake in Intel during the time period we're talking about, and that whole period was filled with anti-trust talk, which turned into actual anti-trust fire a few years later in the 90s. I may not have been blunt enough in my other comment, but I was alluding to the idea that IBM and Intel may have been inv…

'Was the cause of a complete redevelopment' is the polar opposite of 'can be traced back to' whatever ugly dealings IBM and Intel may have had (which doesn't surprise me one bit).

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

#17

Post by jlarocco »

jacquesm wrote: post #14

I've found some specs: - up to 141 configurable processors - new 22nm 8-core processor chip@5GHZ - 110GIPS - Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD) support - On chip cryptographic and compression coprocessors - up to 10 TB of memory (configured as 'memory raid', RAIM) PDF is here: http://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/zs/en/zsd03035usen/...

I always feel like mainframes are off in some weird parallel universe.

> Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD), a vector processing model providing instruction level parallelism, to speed workloads such as analytics and mathematical modeling. For example, COBOL 5.2 and PL/I 4.5 exploit SIMD and improved floating point enhancements to deliver improved performance over and above that provided by the faster processor.

Most people would consider COBOL and PL/I to be laughably out of date languages from the 60s and 70s. But here's a new machine with 10 TB of RAM, and the release notes are quick to point out new features for COBOL and PL/I. Go figure.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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Post by jacquesm »

jlarocco wrote: post #17
jacquesm wrote: post #14

I've found some specs: - up to 141 configurable processors - new 22nm 8-core processor chip@5GHZ - 110GIPS - Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD) support - On chip cryptographic and compression coprocessors - up to 10 TB of memory (configured as 'memory raid', RAIM) PDF is here: http://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/zs/en/zsd03035usen/...

I always feel like mainframes are off in some weird parallel universe. > Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD), a vector processing model providing instruction level parallelism, to speed workloads such as analytics and mathematical modeling. For example, COBOL 5.2 and PL/I 4.5 exploit SIMD and improved floating point enhancements to deliver improved performance over and above that provided by the faster processor.…

The specs from 2045 will still mention COBOL, PL/I and of course Java.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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Post by cbd1984 »

jacquesm wrote: post #5

That's a fairly content free release as these come. Nothing about the actual architecture, clearly aimed at managers rather than techies, IBM does enterprise sales very well. But of course I'm more interested in the nitty gritty details (though I'll likely never be in a position to pull the trigger on a purchase like this). Funny how Linux is mentioned in the press release, and other platforms don't even rate a menti…

> Funny how Linux is mentioned in the press release, and other platforms don't even rate a mention.

Because the other OSes which run on the hardware are so obscure that non-technies would never have heard of them. I'm morally certain CMS and z/OS (or whatever MVS is called these days) and VM are still in use, but Linux has the penguin and the media coverage. Therefore, it gets the inches.

Re: IBM Launches Z13 Mainframe

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Post by laxatives »

jacquesm wrote: post #14

I've found some specs: - up to 141 configurable processors - new 22nm 8-core processor chip@5GHZ - 110GIPS - Single Instruction Multiple Data (SIMD) support - On chip cryptographic and compression coprocessors - up to 10 TB of memory (configured as 'memory raid', RAIM) PDF is here: http://public.dhe.ibm.com/common/ssi/ecm/zs/en/zsd03035usen/...

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but isn't 22nm big, SIMD available on almost everything, and dedicated crypto and compression more or less ubiquitous?
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