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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I think you read a lot of things into this article that aren't there. This isn't about some entitlement to more money. The article is about deceptive recruiting practices at Google. Phone calls and emails filled with lies. Why would Google even need to lie about a potential acquisition (and name drop the founder) when they aren't even looking for one? The OP just wants the Google person to say, "Hi, I'm from Google H…

The author himself says right in the article that he felt entitled to much more than $2 million. I explain again that I’ve already built an £X million company in this area that was limited to the UK & Ireland; this time it’s global and I can easily get to twice £X million. I don’t know what Silicon Valley numbers are like, I say, but surely even there acqui-hire numbers don’t go as high as twice £X million? She repli…

No, he said that he believed his company had a high likelihood of becoming worth that amount, and that he did not expect their acqui-hire numbers to go that high. Also note the part where they argued with him about whether or not he had actually received a reasonably part of the X million, which indicates to me that they did not expect they'd have to pay all that much at all.

He said that against a backdrop of having done a sale at half the value he listed in the past in the same niche with a much smaller potential market. He might very well be wrong, but he gave a reasoning that is not all that unreasonable. If he didn't believe in the potential value, he presumably wouldn't be working on it.

What he complained about was the deceptive initial implication that he was talking to someone wanting to acquire the product, rather than an acqui-hire. Had the e-mail been from someone identifying themselves as a recruiter, wanting to hire him, and indicating that there would be room for talking acquisition to compensate him for giving up the business, it would have been a very different situation and presumably he'd have said no at the outset.

The section you quoted is where he points out to the recruiter that if it is an acqui-hire, presumably they do not have the budget for the kind of amounts that would make the job worth it for him to give up his company over.

There was no "generous rock-star offer". There was a deceptive approach where $2m was indicated as the maximum that might be offered for an acqui-hire, with no indication of what kind of salary he might get offered. Having dealt with Google recruiters in the past, I know how cagey they can be about salary and total offer value, and frankly in the cases I managed to get a range out of them, they were not worth continuing conversations with. There's no indication of a "generous rock-star offer" in the article.

It may not have been interesting to you, but the audience here includes a lot of people working on startups for whom this kind of situation might be relevant. Maybe not Google. Maybe the cap isn't 2mill. But I've been in similar situations before, and it sucks. It's ok to get angry at deceptive approaches even if you make good money.

(For my part I'm not surprised to see yet another story like this about Google - I have nothing but bad experiences with Google recruiters whenever they've approached me; each time I get less inclined to ever want to consider working there)

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I think you read a lot of things into this article that aren't there. This isn't about some entitlement to more money. The article is about deceptive recruiting practices at Google. Phone calls and emails filled with lies. Why would Google even need to lie about a potential acquisition (and name drop the founder) when they aren't even looking for one? The OP just wants the Google person to say, "Hi, I'm from Google H…

Sure, sure, but who cares? If you're going to be in business you kind of need to have a thicker skin than this. No one is making him take any offer. No real offer was even extended. So what if it's deceptive? Either tell them that you don't want to be distracted by interview-prep, or just take the free trip to Google HQ and reject any offer that you don't agree with.

Or write an article to warn others who might also be taken in by this kind of behaviours, so they don't need to waste their time on it.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Ceilings usually aren't problematic for GPS. They do better out side, but if you get cell service through the ceiling, you'll get GPS signal through it. What I'm curious about is that GPS is only accurate to within a few meters. If I turn on my GPS and set it on my desk for an hour, the resulting track will look like it's bouncing around the room. My guess is this app averages a bunch of readings from each wall to co…

> if you get cell service through the ceiling, you'll get GPS signal through it. Download one of the apps that shows individual GPS satellite signal strengths and tell me if you still believe this. Definitely not true for my phone.

It really depends. I have an older dedicated GPS receiver that absolutely no way will receive a signal indoors. My iPhones all do a pretty good job. (FYI, you can only get signal strength on an Android phone; Apple's CoreLocation API doesn't provide that or some of the other detailed satellite data.)

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I'd love to see a googler from the appropriate side respond here and present their side of the story. That seems to be the difference between the engineering and business sides of google... if this was a critique of one of google's technical products, there would be multiple googlers here responding in this thread by now.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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What's the best course of action in this case? Surely, it isn't to ignore the email.

You first need to identify if you are in this position, which the "experienced" author previously had some experience of.

Personally I'd use social engineering to get the information I would need to prove this and dig our all the information I needed about Googler #1 and #2. First you need the real contact details. More appropriately you need to make sure that the numbers quoted in the emails aren't throwaways.

Ideally you need access to a corporate phone directory, which these days are harder to come by as a physical book. Years ago you could easily approach the right person (smokers outside are good because it is easy to start a conversation with a smoker especially if you smoke as well) and offer them a couple of hundred dollars for the internal corporate directory phone book). Cleaners are also a good target as they have access to lots of areas.

You'd be surprised how many people will give that book over for a small amount of cash.

As a secondary bonus, once you are finished with the phone book you can sell it on to a headhunter. They pay big money for such a useful item.

These days that kind of stuff is harder but not impossible. Social networking has made it easier to get information about people and what they do, who their friends are and where they hang out. People are lazy about their privacy and that is useful if you are trying to dig up information on someone, especially easy if they have an uncommon name.

Fight dirty tricks with dirty tricks is my opinion.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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A lot of recruiters at Google are temps and will lie through they're teeth in order to get candidates interested. Google still has a reputation of being an amazing workplace. This, however, is becoming less and less true. Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. There are much better places to work for then Google these days. Disclaimer: I…

> Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. I find this hard to believe because if you are smart enough to work at Google then you should be smart enough to know your rights. If the harassment is persistent and comes from multiple perpetrators then she can build a timeline to show HR, a lawyer, or the EEOC.

Unfortunately technology is full of people who may have a first but are clueless about the world of work and end up in trouble or taken advantage of.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

As a recruiter, I'd be curious to hear what tricks were played to get you to interview. I'm an independent, so when I speak to people there is never anything ambiguous about our discussions (my clients are not looking to acquire your product if you have one). Is it possible that Google liked your product and subsequently thought you might be a good hire, but didn't like your product as a potential acquisition? That i…

Just a side not, whether you're targeting people with projects or not. The opening phrase recruiters use of "are you looking for a job" or "are you interested in a position" especially when they say they've done background work is all wrong. If I says yes to either of those I've lost the power position. Recruiters should come with reasons why you should join that position, why you should leave etc.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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"What's wrong with this country? Can't a man walk down the street without being offered a job!?"

Yeah all the comments on here about being tricked into job interviews just seem so crazy to me. Is google really so desperate to interview people? I've always heard they get tons of applications and that it's incredibly difficult (and time consuming) to get an offer after an interview with them, so why would they be going through all of this trouble to get people in the funnel? I'm really not sure what to make of it…

Given the legendary meat-grind that is the Google interview process, perhaps people need to be tricked to overcome the initial aversion. Since Google can throw money at recruitment, they basically don't care about wasting their own time, which means they might waste quite a lot of yours.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I don't think anyone at Google can read anyone's emails willy nilly just like that.

There are people who can, every company has them. Usually there are levels, as in "can read number of emails", "can read subjects", up to "can impersonate accounts". Most of the time the mechanism is there for legal reasons. Sometimes people do bad stuff with it. See https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=google%20David%2...

Normally very very restricted and these days probably requiring security clearance certainly Team leaders on some projects (and not secret squirrel ones) in BT where vetted to TS (Developed Vetting) Level.

Back when I worked in the early days of email (pre internet) on dialcom systems. I had level 6 (SYSAD) on all of Telecom Golds prime's plus Level 7 on the Billing systems and even the BT Security had mandated removal of some of the interesting commands

There where probably 15 or so people in the country that had that level of access

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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$2M for an acquisition on top of an employment offer vs. $1M-$2M in salary and RSU's are vastly different in value. The acquisition pathway with your numbers would be 2-3 times the value before you discount the present value of the salary and RSU's because of the additional risks associated (even assuming the acquisition amount would be similarly restricted and spread out over time). It seems like you assume that an…

Yes, they're not exactly equivalent, on the other hand, you won't necessarily end up with the same salary and RSUs through an acquisition either. They're not going to acquire you for $2M plus give you an additional $200k vesting RSUs per year. Point being, there's nothing scammy about a deal being negotiated down, or falling through, and ending up as an employment offer instead of an acquisition, especially if they'r…

> They're not going to acquire you for $2M plus give you an additional $200k vesting RSUs per year.

If that is the case the hypothetical offer (that never was) starts approaching insultingly deceptive given the way they went about it.

If I started talking to someone about an acqui-hire and they expect to get a "discount" on salary and options/RSUs based on the acquisition price, then the acquisition price is artificially inflated to get my interest unless the hinted at acquisition amount makes the salary and RSUs a rounding error (in which case they'd be idiots to potentially antagonise a desirable hire over it). And I'd be tempted to tell them to fuck off just on principle.

Of course Google is not obliged to make him a good offer. But they ought to realise the damage these kind of approaches are doing to their brand amongst potential hires. For my part, while I've never experienced anything like in this article from Google, my experiences with (half a dozen plus) Google recruiters have been entirely negative whenever they've approached me, to the point where I recount my history with past Google recruiters every time a new one calls to make it clear to them why I am going to be short with them until/unless they prove they're worth my time. No other company's has been as disrespectful of my time.

> Point being, there's nothing scammy about a deal being negotiated down

But there is plenty scammy about not making it clear that they are trying to hire him but instead giving the impression they are after his product.

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