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Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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I am highly intrigued by the reports of people who try mediation. My question is, how does one give it a try? Are these Vipassana retreats suitable for someone who has very little knowledge about meditation and zero experience? Are there other options? I would prefer to be guided by a person than read a book, that option will just slip out of my schedule.

If you want to work one-on-one, you can grab a meditation teacher for a Skype session on PopExpert. I personally recommend Kenneth Folk - https://www.popexpert.com/kennethfolk?code=join-kennethfolk

If you want just an intro meditation weekend, I highly recommend the "Joy of Living" level 1 workshops from Tergar - http://tergar.org/events/

Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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Oh man...this retreat. I tried it, and it was somehow way more traumatizing than it sounds. I prepared for the retreat with a month of hour-a-day practice and felt really prepared. In reality nothing could have prepared me for this claustrophobic silencefest. Went to the center in rural Illinois around Thanksgiving. The air was cold with a jagged wind. An occasional crow croaked ominously in the damp brown grounds. S…

Sorry you had to go through that. I wonder if anyone here can help me understand why the evasion and control is a necessary part of this process for meditation? Why does it have to feel so weird to be effective? Is it even effective? It seems like a cult like setting is a terrible platform through which to bring people calm and peace of mind.

A totally normal part of insight meditation is to cycle through states of mind that have increased suffering. They're so common, that experienced meditators can pinpoint when they are entering into "Fear", "Misery", "Disgust", "Dissolution", "Desire for Deliverence", etc.

It is these states of mind, where, if you can hold strong to the meditation instructions and objectify everything in the field of experience, the possibility for liberation from suffering arises. When you realize that these experiences are just experiences arising and vanishing on their own, not things happening to 'I', there is an immediate relief from the suffering of those experiences.

From http://alohadharma.com/2011/06/12/the-dark-night/

"As the meditator moves along the path and has already experienced their attention syncing up with the arising of phenomena, then the peak of phenomena, it then moves to the passing away of phenomena. I call the next section of the path the “Dark Night” and in the commentaries it is also called “the knowledge of suffering.”

As you can gather from the name, this is a pretty difficult part of the path. It is so difficult in fact, this is where most meditators get into trouble, and can become stuck. The sheer discomfort and negativity of this part of the path may lead the meditator to conclude that they are no longer “doing it right,” and they may decide to just quit meditating. After all, why keep at it when it pretty much hurts to meditate? In the Zen tradition, this part of the path is called the “rolling up of the mat” for just that reason – the meditator just wants to throw in the towel and stop.

This actually makes a lot of sense if you do not know the map. The memory of the rapturous A&P is still fresh in the mind of a meditator who initially steps into the Dark Night. Compared to the joy and wonder that was only just experienced, the Dark Night is a horrible let down. But it is important to know that the difficulty being experienced is a sign of progress – it means that you are doing the meditation correctly."

So, the reason for the aloofness of the staff is partially because these phases are totally expected and normal, and unless you are having a true psychotic episode, the whole point is to push through.

Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I did it, there was a guy in my dorm who left halfway through. I learned later that he had taken the retreat as an opportunity to quit smoking. Terrible, terrible idea.

I quit (and moved city) a week before the retreat. That was three years ago.

Not saying it can't work out. Some people are tougher than others. But not a great plan.

Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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Oh man...this retreat. I tried it, and it was somehow way more traumatizing than it sounds. I prepared for the retreat with a month of hour-a-day practice and felt really prepared. In reality nothing could have prepared me for this claustrophobic silencefest. Went to the center in rural Illinois around Thanksgiving. The air was cold with a jagged wind. An occasional crow croaked ominously in the damp brown grounds. S…

>>They will be waking us soon, at 4am. I toss on the narrow cot.

You can't beat a good wank for helping you get to sleep.

Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry you had to go through that. I wonder if anyone here can help me understand why the evasion and control is a necessary part of this process for meditation? Why does it have to feel so weird to be effective? Is it even effective? It seems like a cult like setting is a terrible platform through which to bring people calm and peace of mind.

A totally normal part of insight meditation is to cycle through states of mind that have increased suffering. They're so common, that experienced meditators can pinpoint when they are entering into "Fear", "Misery", "Disgust", "Dissolution", "Desire for Deliverence", etc. It is these states of mind, where, if you can hold strong to the meditation instructions and objectify everything in the field of experience, the p…

Intentionally causing yourself suffering is an inherently violent activity and shouldn't be taken lightly (if it should ever be done at all.) Even without going through a psychotic episode you could still be doing internal damage.

It's like lifting weights, with time you learn the difference between the pain that comes with growth and the pain that comes with injury. If you haven't lifted for long enough to know the difference then you shouldn't be "maxing out" because the risk of injury is so high.

By the same token if you haven't been meditating long enough to know the difference between when you're being a cry-baby and when you really need to go take care of yourself you might not want to go to an extreme meditation retreat.

Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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post #59

I've never understood why people treat meditation like they're cramming for finals, trying to fit as much as possible into a brief period. That's not going to help them incorporate it into their daily lives - if anything, it trains them to think of meditation as something outside their ordinary experience. If you're at all interested in all the mental and physical health benefits of mindfulness, you do not have to go…

Accessing certain states of mind requires momentum above all else. Thus it is very valuable to meditate intensely for sustained periods of time. Otherwise, most people have little chance of breaking through.

If all you want is altered states of mind we have drugs for that :)

When asked why Zen Mind Beginner's Mind didn't include much on Satori, Shunryu Suzuki admitted he'd never reached it[0]. He never broke through, he just sat on his cushion every day and when he did he was just sitting on a cushion. No fireworks, nothing special. At the same time he's also one of the most respected and widely read Buddhist teachers the West has even known.

And, sadly this part is noteworthy, he's one of the few teachers in America who never had any major scandals.

[0] - http://www.cuke.com/bibliography/ZMBM/preface.html

Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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This is slightly off topic, but I am really amazed at how many in the HN community have attended these retreats. How did you justify a 10 day split from the world, or rather, how did you actually make it happen? This seems really intense, and must have taken a lot of preparation, you must have been really driven, I'm really interested in hearing more about what drives people to sign up for such an extreme experience.…

> I'm really interested in hearing more about what drives people to sign up for such an extreme experience.

Since nobody else is biting...people arrive to the Buddhist scene (and in particular retreats and such) for any number of reasons. Most have some type of thorn in their side they're trying to take care of. Some people who attend are people in their twenties who are traveling and trying out new experiences, some have an unexpected amount of free time after losing a job, getting divorced, or just "life happening." Maybe the kids left for college. Maybe they're deep into recovering from addiction and trying to understand themselves and why the addiction happened in the first place. Some people have a daily practice and they use their vacation time to go on retreat and become better people. Some are there as a rite of passage, or for social status back home where "doing a Vipassana" may be a badge of pride. Some people are essentially homeless and move from one Dharma center to the next without any real sense of direction.

At the places where you're allowed to talk to the other people you find it's quite an eclectic mix, everything from overworked executives to homeless musicians.

Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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post #55

I am highly intrigued by the reports of people who try mediation. My question is, how does one give it a try? Are these Vipassana retreats suitable for someone who has very little knowledge about meditation and zero experience? Are there other options? I would prefer to be guided by a person than read a book, that option will just slip out of my schedule.

> Are these Vipassana retreats suitable for someone who has very little knowledge about meditation and zero experience?

If you're young, in great health and looking for a huge challenge: maybe. It's a very extreme intro to meditation. Vipassana retreats break people.

> Are there other options? I would prefer to be guided by a person than read a book, that option will just slip out of my schedule.

Check for groups in your area, meetup.com is a good resource. So is google. Look up the lineage, the teacher, etc. For school X look up "X controversy" and there will almost always be something there, that's OK but there are some weird traditions out there that you'll do well to avoid. Trust your intuition.

A lot of Buddhist meet-up groups will have a little note that says something like "if you're a beginner, second Tuesday of every month is beginner's night so show up a half an hour early and we'll square you away." Some have a "young people's night". There's a lot of luck involved.

A usual evening should be a bit boring and might include one or two 20-minute sitting meditation sessions, maybe some walking meditation, maybe refreshments, some sort of a talk, some social time, and hopefully an opportunity to ask questions.

Re: 100 Hours of Meditation in 10 Days

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A selection of meditation resources for hackers: OpenEEG ( http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/ ) OpenSensors ( http://sourceforge.net/p/opensensors/home/Home/ ) Brain Refactoring ( http://www.amazon.com/Code-Complete-Practical-Handbook-Const... )

I have a feeling that third link is not supposed to be code complete?

No, I selected that title as one of the most common and popular self-improvement resources available for software professionals. The implication is that reading it would do more to improve your thinking than a week-long meditation retreat.
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