Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

theguardian.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 489 posts

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#151

Post by ozh »

eternalban wrote: post #137
tomp wrote: post #4

> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…

Have you ever considered it is theatre? Have you ever considered that it may be directed at the minds of the non-Muslims? I am a Muslim and frankly find these attempts at "satire" pathetic. Apparently those who find Islam a hair in their globalization ointment can't argue from a position of reason and have to resort to calumny and provocation.

It's definitely not ironic or "theatre" for non-muslins. It's taking "politically correct" to the whole new level of "please don't kill me".

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#152

Post by seren »

[deleted] wrote: post #123
[deleted] wrote: post #28

[deleted]

[deleted]

The fundamental issue with your reasoning is that with 7 billions people you will always find someone feeling insulted.

For example, plenty of people believe in reincarnation, don't you think it is slightly insulting that meat eaters (me included) are eating their dead relatives ? Where should you put the boundary ?

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#153

Post by 7952 »

neals wrote: post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

Christians society has not left violence behind, we are just less likely to rationalise it with religion. Although it is not unheard of; just listen to some of the nonesense that George Bush spouted. But is is very naive to believe that violence wouldn't exist if we were all atheists and identified as skeptics.

Humans have an intrinsic capacity for violence. History is littered with examples of groups attacking someone for rape, murder and plunder and then describing it as "gods work". Probably the desire to murder and rape came before the sanctification. Why should we care what the excuse is?

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#154

Post by simias »

jayess wrote: post #142

Is there anyone in France willing to take a paypal payment to buy me a couple of copies and mail them to the USA?

I've heard that this issue will be translated in something like 16 languages, I would be surprised if it wasn't officially distributed abroad, especially in the USA.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#155

Post by mercurial »

[deleted] wrote: post #123
[deleted] wrote: post #28

[deleted]

[deleted]

Saying "it is a personal opinion" doesn't protect you from disagreement, especially if you come off as offensive. The difference is that nobody here is expressing their disagreement by means of an AK-47. Your implied comparison between being downvoted and what happened at Charlie Hebdo is absurd.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#156

Post by jacquesm »

rikacomet wrote: post #95

First of all.. certainly as a Muslim, I condemn the attack on Charlie Hebdo. This is not Islam. But, if I were to take the liberty to express my own opinion, I would say honestly, I think both parties were at wrong here. First that their have been many instances in the life of our prophet, when he faced not just harsh but inhuman treatment, specially in his hometown of Mecca. Yet he never lifted a finger or even wish…

> But the level of Satire in question here, was perhaps too much.

Who cares about sensitivities once you cross into satire.

You're effectively arguing that the people that got shot were murdered because 'the level of satire' was too high.

What hurts you is imaginary, killing people is real.

Identifying with a religion to the point that someone insulting your imaginary friend causes a person to commit acts in the real world or to be supportive of such acts is insanity.

If you want a better society then learn that not everybody believes as you do and that the rules governing a religion ONLY applies to those that subscribe to that religion.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#158

Post by rikacomet »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #133
rikacomet wrote: post #95

First of all.. certainly as a Muslim, I condemn the attack on Charlie Hebdo. This is not Islam. But, if I were to take the liberty to express my own opinion, I would say honestly, I think both parties were at wrong here. First that their have been many instances in the life of our prophet, when he faced not just harsh but inhuman treatment, specially in his hometown of Mecca. Yet he never lifted a finger or even wish…

>> "But the level of Satire in question here, was perhaps too much." There are NO excuses for what happened. None. Just because a certain group of people (no matter who they are) believe something doesn't mean the rest of the world should not offend that belief because some people might not like it. It doesn't matter if that belief is Islam, Judaism, Scientology, or a belief in pigs that fly. I have the right to make…

The liberty to express yourself is not the only liberty in the world. I, You and All of Us have the liberty to be offended as well.

The point is: -what to do if you are offended? To which I say simply ignore it happened.

-why offend someone in the first place?

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

#159

Post by unclebucknasty »

jules wrote: post #124
Udik wrote: post #71

Yesterday the Guardian published the best opinion I've read so far about satire, Charlie Hebdo, the terrorist attacks and our reaction to them. And it's a short comic strip by the cartoonist Joe Sacco: http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/jan/09/...

I don't see what's so good about this. It's merely an uninsightful and flawed analogy with a deeply wrong conclusion. He completely misjudges Charlie Hebdo and the cultural context.

>It's merely an uninsightful and flawed analogy with a deeply wrong conclusion.

How so?

Post reply on HN