I know saying you forgive your attackers will almost certainly not make the world a better place. But there were so many reactions that could have added to the fire. It's very hopeful to see people struggling to break the cycle even in the face of such loss.
Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
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Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#92The Charlie Hebdo attacks show that these days, real satire of Islam can't be done without significant risk of violent reprisal. If you doubt that statement, remember The Book of Mormon. (The play, not the actual book.) Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam? Could you imagine them calling it The Qur'an to Google-bomb the original? Even if they disregarded their ow…
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Racism is bad, because you can't choose your race. You can choose your religion (or, in general, what you believe in). I think adults who believe in the existence of unicorns are insane. If you don't find that wrong/offensive, I don't see why the same reasoning couldn't be applied to people who believe in the existence of a god.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
One could argue that he did, indirectly. Freedom of speech means exactly that - the freedom to say whatever you want, within the margins allowed by the law, regardless of how it could be perceived by some specific group of people. Somebody is always going to be offended, I think el-Hamdoon missed the whole point. What he could have said instead, but didn't, is this: "While I find the cover disgusting, freedom of spee…
> Freedom of speech means exactly that - the freedom to say whatever you want ... regardless of how it could be perceived by some specific group of people No. You can't publish porn freely. Why? Because some people find it offensive. It's not that simple.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately the concept of having the right to be offended, but not the right not to be offended doesn't seem to have been explained to Muslims. Every other faith (and other large group of people) seems to have accepted it however.
> Every other faith (and other large group of people) seems to have accepted it however. This is obviously false. In England the film "Life of Brian" faced multiple bans from local councils on being shown at cinemas. Glasgow had a 30 year ban that ended in 2009. The comedian Stewart Lee faced legal action and a vicious campaign after his opera "Jerry Springer: the musical"; Jewish groups (rightly) decry Holocaust den…
You have no right not to be offended, it just doesn't exist.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#95But, if I were to take the liberty to express my own opinion, I would say honestly, I think both parties were at wrong here. First that their have been many instances in the life of our prophet, when he faced not just harsh but inhuman treatment, specially in his hometown of Mecca. Yet he never lifted a finger or even wished for those people to get hurt (there is specific mention of this in Islam). It is against the moral of our religion to engage in such "eye for an eye" notions. Yet people (like the 4 suspects) who are not aware of their own religion and the finer lines tend to do these things when agitated or pushed in a corner.
On the other hand, Religion is a personal affair. People are serious about it, be it any religion. People live and die by the religion, it is the very guide of majority of the people in this world. And if someone portrays something so closely associated to people, it is a kin to playing with their feelings. And that is where things start to get ugly, and such mishaps happen.
Satire is accepted in Islam, as evident from the semi-fictional writings about Mullah Nasruddin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasreddin
But the level of Satire in question here, was perhaps too much. Besides the additional fact, that impersonation/impersonification of Prophet Muhammad is highly condemned in Islam. Even if we are to write a play on factual things about him, it is prohibited to have someone portray him (even for a good/just reason). To say that in other words, to Muslims, a graphical satire is acceptable on anyone except the prophets, which includes Moses, Jesus, Abraham, etc. Yet, if someone does want to amuse himself or exercise his liberty knowing that it is something that hurts us, we simply have to ignore him. Things should not go further than that.
People in the west have indeed respected this, as seen in the movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074896/
Let us understand each others liberties as well as sensitivities, so that by standing firm together, we will all make a better society, both in France and the World.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#96The Charlie Hebdo attacks show that these days, real satire of Islam can't be done without significant risk of violent reprisal. If you doubt that statement, remember The Book of Mormon. (The play, not the actual book.) Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam? Could you imagine them calling it The Qur'an to Google-bomb the original? Even if they disregarded their ow…
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If you identify as a Muslim you identify as a supporter of those same oppressive texts that these Terrorists support.
It's hard to respect a religion that to all outsiders seems so completely insane.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#97It takes a great deal to stand up against the advance of political correctness on free speech. Other countries haven't nearly done as well as France. At the end of the day the situation was tragic but the defence of free speech against prevailing winds is incredibly important. As for religious extremism... I don't think we will see an end until enlightenment spreads and religion fades into historic irrelevancy. This…
I don't think that the religion is the issue, I think that desperate people with desperate lives will always find something irrational to fill their life with and kill for. As an example on a smaller scale (smaller as in less desperate) in Italy we have people whose life revolves around going to the stadium on Sunday to watch their football team and getting into fights with the fans of the opponent team. That's the o…
I just think it's harder to incite organised extreme violence without some highly charged agenda and removing religion goes a long way to making our world a better place.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#98The Charlie Hebdo attacks show that these days, real satire of Islam can't be done without significant risk of violent reprisal. If you doubt that statement, remember The Book of Mormon. (The play, not the actual book.) Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam? Could you imagine them calling it The Qur'an to Google-bomb the original? Even if they disregarded their ow…
And it's not just Islamic religion that would cause this, exactly what you described happened when North Korea threatened "The Interview".
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#99The Charlie Hebdo attacks show that these days, real satire of Islam can't be done without significant risk of violent reprisal. If you doubt that statement, remember The Book of Mormon. (The play, not the actual book.) Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam? Could you imagine them calling it The Qur'an to Google-bomb the original? Even if they disregarded their ow…
In episode "201" (S14E06) all the celebrities South Park has parodied over the years collectively sued South Park town for making fun of them. The town would be ruined by the lawsuit, and beg for the celebs to drop the lawsuit. They agree to drop the lawsuit for just one thing - if the city could give them Muhammed.
The celebs had developed a machine that would extract the magic goo that makes it impossible to mock Muhammed from him. Eventually they get Muhammed and extract the magic goo. Tom Cruise eats it, but is shocked to discover that people can still make fun of him.
Comedy Central, ironically, totally beeped out the speech that followed (but thankfully it leaked Jan last year):
Kyle: That's because there is no goo, Mr. Cruise. You see, I learned something today. Throughout this whole ordeal, we've all wanted to show things that we weren't allowed to show, but it wasn't because of some magic goo. It was because of the magical power of threatening people with violence. That's obviously the only true power. If there's anything we've all learned, it's that terrorizing people works.
Jesus: That's right. Don't you see, gingers, if you don't want to be made fun of anymore, all you need are guns and bombs to get people to stop.
Santa: That's right, friends. All you need to do is instill fear and be willing to hurt people and you can get whatever you want. The only true power is violence.
South Park was right as always.
All their Muhammad episodes should be watched, in this order:
1. S05E04 (Super Best Friends). It's the only uncensored episode with Muhammad, and ironically he's a pretty cool guy. Only on torrents, Comedy Central has tried to erase it from history.
2. S10E03 (Cartoon Wars Part I)
3. S10E04 (Cartoon Wars Part II)
4. S14E05 (200)
5. S14E06 (201). Comedy Central actually bleeped all mentions of the name Muhammad in this episode plus the speech above. Watch the censored version first before you torrent the real version - the censorship is downright tragicomical.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#100The Charlie Hebdo attacks show that these days, real satire of Islam can't be done without significant risk of violent reprisal. If you doubt that statement, remember The Book of Mormon. (The play, not the actual book.) Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam? Could you imagine them calling it The Qur'an to Google-bomb the original? Even if they disregarded their ow…
"Real" satire of Islamic culture has been performed for decades. For the most part, you don't have to include the image of Mohammed for every statement you want to make of Islam.
However, I do agree that you should be allowed to do so without fear of violent reprisal. Unfortunately, this is not the world we live in at the moment. It's going to take a while before Islamists change their views on this issue.