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Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
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Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#52The Charlie Hebdo attacks show that these days, real satire of Islam can't be done without significant risk of violent reprisal. If you doubt that statement, remember The Book of Mormon. (The play, not the actual book.) Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam? Could you imagine them calling it The Qur'an to Google-bomb the original? Even if they disregarded their ow…
Charlie Hebdo? I'm pretty sure they'll keep mocking religions.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#53I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.
Western Christianity certainly haven't left violence behind. Just take the christian terrorist Anders Brevik who killed 80 people in Norway.
I don't think one Christian terrorist is enough to say that Western Christianity "certainly" is violent. I wouldn't even say that about Islam even though I think Islam has some problems with violence that Western Christianity doesn't have.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#54> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…
And it makes things worse. The idea that you have to tiptoe and thought police yourself around some group of people is sure way to antagonize part of the society against that group.
You do have to do that, at all times. It's called "being a functioning member of society" – and that means being considerate of other people's views and feelings, as ridiculous as they may be. Everybody does this, all of the time (well, maybe some people don't. Those people are usually dicks.)
Remember The Guardian isn't a satirical magazine, but a newspaper. It doesn't have the defence against purposeful offence that comes with the former.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#55I'm rather curious why this depiction is considered to be that of the prophet Muhammad. Is it said so somewhere in their paper, or do we all just accept whatever interpretation is handed down to us by the fundamentalists?
Because the character is depicted similarly as in a previous cartoon by the same cartoonist: https://i.imgur.com/Lm4p71F.jpg I don't get why you're being downvoted though. Have an upvote.
Thank you for the upvote. If the downvotes were due to religious reasons, then I have to admit it is rather sad to see them on HN. On the other hand, if they were due to perceived ignorance or stupidity, then I accept them.
From the link and history of the cartoons, I've reached the rather odd conclusion that anyone named "Mahomet" or "Muhammad" in a cartoon is automatically assumed to be the prophet Muhammad.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because someone doesn't take your side in debate does not necessarily mean they took some other non affiliated point of view.
One could argue that he did, indirectly. Freedom of speech means exactly that - the freedom to say whatever you want, within the margins allowed by the law, regardless of how it could be perceived by some specific group of people. Somebody is always going to be offended, I think el-Hamdoon missed the whole point. What he could have said instead, but didn't, is this: "While I find the cover disgusting, freedom of spee…
> Freedom of speech means exactly that - the freedom to say whatever you want ... regardless of how it could be perceived by some specific group of people
No. You can't publish porn freely. Why? Because some people find it offensive. It's not that simple.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#57> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…
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Man, I hope you're trolling.
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#59The Charlie Hebdo attacks show that these days, real satire of Islam can't be done without significant risk of violent reprisal. If you doubt that statement, remember The Book of Mormon. (The play, not the actual book.) Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam? Could you imagine them calling it The Qur'an to Google-bomb the original? Even if they disregarded their ow…
> Could you imagine Trey Parker and Matt Stone making an equivalent Broadway play about Islam?
Team America: World Police? Durka durka?
Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad
#60Read news about the biggest gathering in paris ever as a tribute to the legendary cartoonist, terrorists are failing in their objectives.