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Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by Guthur »

tomp wrote: post #4

> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…

If the article had images that would cause offense or distress then yes it would carry such a warning. Normal practice, I have seen it many times, mainly for scenes depicting the aftermath of violence. Or even scenes of the meat industry.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by nailer »

neals wrote: post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

Orthodox folk - Christians, Jews, and Muslims - generally believe that secular folk aren't religious at all. I know a whole bunch of Christians who's idea of god is 'life and family' and, despite attending church and believing that Jesus was real, don't believe in an all-powerful creator with human characteristics.

Secularism is now so secular that the only religious people you hear about are the orthodox ones.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by venomsnake »

icebraining wrote: post #3

Speaking on Today, [Omer el-Hamdoon, president of the Muslim Association of Britain] said causing offence “just for the purpose of offending” was not freedom of speech. Distancing yourself from the extremists [FAIL]

I have always thought that the offence was in the eye of the offended.

If something drawn by a human can disturb a person's inner world so much - the problem is his and not the artists'

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by Lewton »

neals wrote: post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

Winning, how?

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by sarciszewski »

tomp wrote: post #4

> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…

> Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such warnings an insult to my intelligence and a trivialization of people's personal responsibility, where is my warning?

I agree wholeheartedly.

They may have decided to preface their article with this message because they feared retaliation by zealous Muslims who would not otherwise expect to see a depiction of Muhammad in the Guardian.

I don't think it detracts any from the content of the reporting, though.

# On topic #

There are two possible extremes to consider:

1. A world in which any idea or custom is subject to criticism. Nothing is sacred. We can criticize, laugh at, depict, and mock anything that anyone believes. Publicly. Without fear of violence.

2. A world in which NO idea or custom is subject to criticism. Everything is sacred. Do not criticize, laugh at, depict, or mock anything that anyone believes.

My problem with religious extremists is that they, in general, seem to want World #2 for themselves and World #1 for everyone else. I'm more of a "World #1 for everyone" sort of person, and you're free to mock me for that if you'd like.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by MrGando »

neals wrote: post #7

I used to think society would, at some point, grow up and leave religion behind. But lately, it just feels like a far 'lower' form of religion is just taking over. I think that western christianity has made some big strides. For example, by leaving all the violence behind. Now the violent ones are winning. This makes me sad for the future of Europe.

I think the French people and most of the world has reacted in an admirable way after this attacks. Showing no fear and Charlie, showing that they are going to keep up, doing what they do, because it's right.

The world has to be very careful with how many governments are going to use this attacks as an opportunity to empower mass surveillance and other policies that will affect general people privacy.

Still, I'm happy about how the French people have handled this horrible situation.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by higherpurpose »

If only the governments wouldn't use this "attack on free speech" to umm...restrict free speech. If the terrorists change your way of life, they've won. I thought the whole point of the march was to say that "We are not afraid! And we'll continue to be just as free as ever! Your violence will not scare us!" - and so on.

But nope. Apparently what it meant is that we need more censorship and self-censorship caused by increased and more intrusive mass surveillance:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/europes-answer-to-terror-attack...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-it-means-to-stan...

If the alternative to once in a while terrorist attacks is turning every democracy into Russia or China, then I'd rather stick with the risk of terrorism.

Re: Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts prophet Muhammad

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Post by [deleted] »

venomsnake wrote: post #10
tomp wrote: post #4

> Warning: this article contains the image of the magazine cover, which some may find offensive. It's the first time I've seen something like this on Guardian; I don't even remember it on articles discussing rape, murder or such, which is usually where "trigger warning" applies. Personally, I find such trigger warnings, and especially "you might be offended" warnings, totally ridiculous. What about me? I find such wa…

And it makes things worse. The idea that you have to tiptoe and thought police yourself around some group of people is sure way to antagonize part of the society against that group.

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