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> spend weeks at a time just trying to install Linux, get it to boot, and get a development environment working I think we found the problem. It's between chair and keyboard.
You've described the problem that a lot of developers I know have. Linux just isn't easy to understand, even for programmers, if they don't have a *NIX background to start with.
While Linux development, especially for game development, does has it's fare share of pain points. I don't think this should be interpreted as any more than it is, a single developer deciding he wants to stop supporting, one specific platform. Eric is indeed a very skilled programmer, but this engine is very much developed to meet his whims. He hasn't yet released any games on it, and the vast majority of his engine…
I still haven't see any of the Steam machines on the wild. Frankly I doubt I will ever see them.
Certainly people still need the need for Linux as an alternative to Windows and I have so little hope that OS X users would also see the need. Looking at you HTF+.
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What a pity they've decided to take a political position rather than a technological one . Not sure if that really is the case - to me it reads like "I spent so much time getting this thing to work and it still doesn't work properly now, so I just give up" Yeah sure, the underlying reason for this might be that he doesn't know how to properly do it (and the reason for that in turn might be that it is hard), but how i…
> spend weeks at a time just trying to install Linux, get it to boot, and get a development environment working I think we found the problem. It's between chair and keyboard.
That being said, my last Debian install was pretty much effortless. But I seem to have a machine with which most Linux distors are quite happy :]
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> spend weeks at a time just trying to install Linux, get it to boot, and get a development environment working I think we found the problem. It's between chair and keyboard.
Oddly enough, I had a lot of trouble getting my new laptop to boot, work and sleep properly. Not for lack of experience: I first installed linux in the summer of 1992 using hlu's floppies and have used linux for daily work for about 20 of the 22½ years since then. I can easily believe that someone used to windows with its mishmash of installers might have an unpleasant experience. Apt-get works wonderfully on a prist…
> What a pity they've decided to take a political position rather than a technological one.
Ironically, it's the political (rather: religious) position of Linux that is getting in the way here. If you're not looking through the rosey colored RMS glasses it's very clear that the dev has taken the practical position.
Don't get me wrong, I wish it was different. Linux has amazing potential, but it unrealistically hostile toward these guys. Maybe SteamOS will bring some uniformity to the situation.
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> spend weeks at a time just trying to install Linux, get it to boot, and get a development environment working I think we found the problem. It's between chair and keyboard.
Oddly enough, I had a lot of trouble getting my new laptop to boot, work and sleep properly. Not for lack of experience: I first installed linux in the summer of 1992 using hlu's floppies and have used linux for daily work for about 20 of the 22½ years since then. I can easily believe that someone used to windows with its mishmash of installers might have an unpleasant experience. Apt-get works wonderfully on a prist…
Wrestling with weird stability problems (which might be a hardware fault, might be buggy display drivers, who knows?) for weeks on end before flouncing out stage right promising never to return is the mark of someone who hasn't really thought things through.
While Linux development, especially for game development, does has it's fare share of pain points. I don't think this should be interpreted as any more than it is, a single developer deciding he wants to stop supporting, one specific platform. Eric is indeed a very skilled programmer, but this engine is very much developed to meet his whims. He hasn't yet released any games on it, and the vast majority of his engine…
I still haven't see any of the Steam machines on the wild. Frankly I doubt I will ever see them.
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> spend weeks at a time just trying to install Linux, get it to boot, and get a development environment working I think we found the problem. It's between chair and keyboard.
Well all of the 50+ people I know using linux everyday including myself, most of them as their major OS, have encountered these type of issues where you lose huge amounts of time trying to get something rather trivial to work. While your claim "It's between chair and keyboard" aka "yeah that's because they don't know how to do it" is of course perfectly valid, the reason the problem exists in the first place is usual…
Certainly not compared to Windows, where you must consider VS/msvcrt version, if you are using third party SDKs. It gets into "really not funny" territory when they have conflicting requirements.
Compared to that, Linux development environment is a piece of cake.
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Sooo, how about taking up the flag?
The engine is proprietary, stefantalpalaru couldn't "take up the flag" even if (s)he wanted.
But, say I propose to stefantalpalaru to write an engine supporting Linux from scratch. And if that's too hard, wouldn't it be fair to say, that it is also a problem between the chair and the keyboard?
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I still haven't see any of the Steam machines on the wild. Frankly I doubt I will ever see them.
I was running Steam in Big Picture mode on my Linux laptop only minutes before reading your comment. It's not a true Steam Machine, but neither is it that far off. :)