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What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

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Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#81
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I live in Whitehorse, Yukon. Last week it was -37C for a few days, I rode my bike/walked to work every day. I've been out Caribou hunting in -48C snowshoeing around right near the Arctic Circle. Snag is just down the road, where it was once -63.9C (-83F) - the coldest temp ever recorded in North America.[1] I'm originally from Australia, so this kind of thing is Alien to me, and I think I do a decent job of explainin…

How good is your Internet connection and cell phone coverage? Do you see weather-related interruptions of service frequently?

To add to what's been said, another problem is currently our only fibre link to southern Canada is via the Alaska highway, which gets accidentally cut about once a year or so by a construction company.[0] We have microwave that it will fall back to, but that's extremely limited bandwidth.

[0]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/internet-slowdown-led-to...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/northwestel-restoring-ph...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/internet-outages-frustra...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/northwestel-trying-to-re...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-n-w-t-phone-intern...

Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#82
post #14

I live in Whitehorse, Yukon. Last week it was -37C for a few days, I rode my bike/walked to work every day. I've been out Caribou hunting in -48C snowshoeing around right near the Arctic Circle. Snag is just down the road, where it was once -63.9C (-83F) - the coldest temp ever recorded in North America.[1] I'm originally from Australia, so this kind of thing is Alien to me, and I think I do a decent job of explainin…

How good is your Internet connection and cell phone coverage? Do you see weather-related interruptions of service frequently?

To add to what's been said, another problem is currently our only fibre link to southern Canada is via the Alaska highway, which gets accidentally cut about once a year or so by a construction company.[0] We have microwave that it will fall back to, but that's extremely limited bandwidth.

[0]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/internet-slowdown-led-to...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/northwestel-restoring-ph...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/internet-outages-frustra...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/northwestel-trying-to-re...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-n-w-t-phone-intern...

Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#83
post #2

> people here regularly consume frozen meat Unless they eat it while it's still frozen, why is this noteworthy? Also: > Most people use outhouses, because indoor plumbing tends to freeze. This is due to their poverty, not the cold. If it was just cold there, as opposed to cold and impoverished, they could either keep water constantly running through the pipes, or, if that won't work, insulate them better, possibly wi…

Methinks you're severely overlooking the cost of maintaining temperate-lifestyle behavior in deeply frozen environments. Thawing meat takes time & energy. It may very well be more convenient to just eat it frozen, especially if you're working outside and your lunch is frozen by ambient temperatures as the norm. Keep water constantly running thru the pipes That's a LOT of water - where do you get it from? where do you…

As far as running water through a water system to keep it from freezing:

That's exactly what we do here. The town _requires_ all households to have a bleeder turned on from about Nov-April at a rate of 1 Litre/minute. This is a small hose which is routed directly from your supply line into your drain pipe. The system is continuously cycling water through the line. You're correct in that this isn't cheap, but it's much cheaper than the alternative (water mains freezing).

You can see the advisory on the town's page here: "ATTENTION RESIDENTS: PLEASE TURN ON WATER BLEEDERS

Winter is here! Please ensure all water bleeders are TURNED ON!! They should be turned on at the rate of one litre per minute. Don't let your pipes freeze up on you!!" [0] http://cityofdawson.ca/

Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#85
post #68

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Cool (sic). We don't have them mandatory in new cars - presumably because it would be a trade barrier within EU to require them only here, and we're too small to force the Mediterranians have them. [edit] BTW there is a legend here that in Siberia people actually keep a fire under engines to warm it up. I even found a photograph of lorries to support this: http://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/art/photography/workers.…

If I had to guess, the reason why block heaters aren't mandatory is because they are rarely necessary, especially with petrol engines. Helpful perhaps, but not necessary. (Yet I do have a petrol-operated heater to help reduce harmful emissions and possibly engine stress -- if only I remembered to use it those rare occasions I store the car in the cold. I've yet to come across a situation where a car wouldn't start be…

Yes, I think it has to do with most of the Scandinavian population being in areas that just don't get cold enough to need a block heater. Many people have one anyway, but a modern car doesn't really need a heater until it gets below about -20 C. And the biggest Scandinavian cities (Stockholm, Copenhagen, Gothenburg, Oslo, Aarhus, Bergen, Malmö) rarely get that cold. A typical winter day in those cities is gray, hovering within a few degrees of freezing, and covered in a light mist of rain or sleet.

Now if you live in Kiruna or Luleå or so, things are a bit different...

Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#86

>ymyakon earned its title as the coldest place on Earth when the mercury plunged to -90. Mercury doesn't plunge to -90 (C or F) because mercury has a melting point at -37.9 °F or -38.8 °C. This is a fairly common fallacy from people who aren't thinking through. Thermometers used in cold places usually have coloured alcohol as liquid, not mercury. I think most Western countries have actually got rid of mercury thermom…

Relax, it's just a figure of speech.

Of course. It's just a bit broken in an article that concentrates on the properties of extreme cold - it's like "xeroxing a floppy disk". Which someone has allegedly done.

Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#87
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had to guess, the reason why block heaters aren't mandatory is because they are rarely necessary, especially with petrol engines. Helpful perhaps, but not necessary. (Yet I do have a petrol-operated heater to help reduce harmful emissions and possibly engine stress -- if only I remembered to use it those rare occasions I store the car in the cold. I've yet to come across a situation where a car wouldn't start be…

Yes, I think it has to do with most of the Scandinavian population being in areas that just don't get cold enough to need a block heater. Many people have one anyway, but a modern car doesn't really need a heater until it gets below about -20 C. And the biggest Scandinavian cities (Stockholm, Copenhagen, Gothenburg, Oslo, Aarhus, Bergen, Malmö) rarely get that cold. A typical winter day in those cities is gray, hover…

You're right. I was a bit sloppy, I'm from Finland which is not geographically Scandinavia, and it's somewhat colder here than in Scandinavian population centers which are south of 60°N. Though the Golf stream helps us too, it's much warmer here than in Alaska at same latitudes.

[edit] It is true that modern cars don't need a block heater to start up successfully, but heating the engine before starting reduces fuel consumption and emissions radically.

Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#88
post #14

I live in Whitehorse, Yukon. Last week it was -37C for a few days, I rode my bike/walked to work every day. I've been out Caribou hunting in -48C snowshoeing around right near the Arctic Circle. Snag is just down the road, where it was once -63.9C (-83F) - the coldest temp ever recorded in North America.[1] I'm originally from Australia, so this kind of thing is Alien to me, and I think I do a decent job of explainin…

Do you have engine block heaters in cars in Yukon? In Scandinavia we have electric heaters installed to engine blocks for people who keep their cars outside. The heaters are typically in the 500 W range and keeping it on for an hour before starting up the car in the morning makes the starting a lot easier. We also have cabin heaters for cars (typically in the 1000 W range) but they are more for the convenience (but a…

Interesting. My dad has a "Webasto" system, which is essentially a tiny, diesel(or petrol,if your car uses petrol) powered heater, which heats up the coolant - when you turn it on(it has a remote) it also turns the fans on, warming up the engine and the interior. And it uses the fuel from your tank(it has its own fuel pump), so it doesn't deplete your battery to heat up the interior.

Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have engine block heaters in cars in Yukon? In Scandinavia we have electric heaters installed to engine blocks for people who keep their cars outside. The heaters are typically in the 500 W range and keeping it on for an hour before starting up the car in the morning makes the starting a lot easier. We also have cabin heaters for cars (typically in the 1000 W range) but they are more for the convenience (but a…

Interesting. My dad has a "Webasto" system, which is essentially a tiny, diesel(or petrol,if your car uses petrol) powered heater, which heats up the coolant - when you turn it on(it has a remote) it also turns the fans on, warming up the engine and the interior. And it uses the fuel from your tank(it has its own fuel pump), so it doesn't deplete your battery to heat up the interior.

Yes we have many of those here as well. But they actually do deplete the battery somewhat, because the heater needs to run the fuel and water pumps and interior fans on battery.

Re: What it’s like living in the coldest town on Earth

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. My dad has a "Webasto" system, which is essentially a tiny, diesel(or petrol,if your car uses petrol) powered heater, which heats up the coolant - when you turn it on(it has a remote) it also turns the fans on, warming up the engine and the interior. And it uses the fuel from your tank(it has its own fuel pump), so it doesn't deplete your battery to heat up the interior.

Yes we have many of those here as well. But they actually do deplete the battery somewhat, because the heater needs to run the fuel and water pumps and interior fans on battery.

Absolutely, but I imagine you can run a pump and a fan much longer off battery than you could a 1500W heating system. Or do they require plugging into mains?
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