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Gotham 7.5K: A Rare High Altitude Night Flight Above NYC

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Re: Gotham 7.5K: A Rare High Altitude Night Flight Above NYC

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The FAA says 400 ft. for UAV.

Idle curiosity: I wonder how high a hobbyist unit could fly straight up before running out of batteries.

Model gliders soaring in thermals can exceed 2,000 ft. Since the energy is supplied by the rising air, altitude is limited only by the pilot's ability to perceive the aircraft's orientation at that distance!

Re: Gotham 7.5K: A Rare High Altitude Night Flight Above NYC

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Regulations require it, also air likes to cling to to the surface, plus you had a chance to acclimate and/or are experienced with such a thing.

The regulations actually don't require it. Under FAA rules for general aviation ("Part 91"), you need oxygen between 12,500 and 14,000 feet if you remain there for more than 30 minutes, and it's only once you climb above 14,000 feet that the pilot unequivocally has to have it. You need to get to 15,000 feet before the passengers have to have oxygen provided. (More: http://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochure…

Ya when skydiving we always exited between 12 and 14k. Only at 15k did you need a mask on the ride up.

Re: Gotham 7.5K: A Rare High Altitude Night Flight Above NYC

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How difficult is it to get clearance to fly a helicopter or airplane over Manhattan as they did? It seems like an unnecessary risk given the population density. For that matter wouldn't it be possible for a terrorist to get approval by creating a ruse of a legitimate (but non essential) reason?

It isn't particularly difficult for a small aircraft, provided airline traffic isn't too busy. NYC ATC is usually pretty accommodating. There are helicopters constantly buzzing the city. Note that the terror threat is very small since the payload of these light aircraft is significantly less than driving a truck full of explosives at street level. Think typically less than 1,000 lbs vs 20,000 lbs.

Good point. Of course if they managed to get a hold of a Chinook they could do much more weight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CH-47_Chinook

They actually use something like this to hoist HVAC units on roofs (so it's not a total stretch).

I was thinking also more in terms of the "terrorism" value of crashing anything of any size into a building in Manhattan vs. the raw damage. Of course airplanes of all sizes are also possible obviously.

Re: Gotham 7.5K: A Rare High Altitude Night Flight Above NYC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FAA says 400 ft. for UAV.

Idle curiosity: I wonder how high a hobbyist unit could fly straight up before running out of batteries.

I was wondering about that as well. According to the manufacturer, the DJI Phantom[1] (a common consumer drone) has a max vertical speed of 6 m/s. So in 10 minutes (battery lasts about 20, 10 up, 10 down), you could reach 3600m. Higher than these pics were taken! (you remote probably won't reach that...)

Not sure if the max speed is up or down... [1]: http://www.dji.com/product/phantom/feature

Re: Gotham 7.5K: A Rare High Altitude Night Flight Above NYC

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The images truly are breathtaking. His note about the streets seeming like neurons is interesting, but I hope I'm not the only person who immediately thought the shots resembled an exaggerated extruded version of a chip's layered layout. (Here's sort of a small version: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Cell-Proc... ) It's a bit odd: the scale of the city is not quite large enough to look like a mode…

New York as a Microchip layout was the main theme of the intro of 'Hackers'. Check out around 0:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c4KG_8iTZM

Wow perfect reference.

Btw just in case you didn't know, you can link to specific times in youtube videos, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c4KG_8iTZM&t=55s

Re: Gotham 7.5K: A Rare High Altitude Night Flight Above NYC

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One of my favorite things to do with new passengers is take them up and down the Hudson River corridor, an airspace that "tunnels through" the more tightly controlled airspaces of Newark and Laguardia. From the Verrazanno Bridge up the Manhattan side of the river at 1000 feet and exiting over the Tappan Zee (or vice versa, southbound on the Jersey side, or a round trip) is unforgettable for passengers. These images a…

How difficult is it to get clearance to fly a helicopter or airplane over Manhattan as they did? It seems like an unnecessary risk given the population density. For that matter wouldn't it be possible for a terrorist to get approval by creating a ruse of a legitimate (but non essential) reason?

NY ATC hates giving VFR clearance in the area. Too much jet traffic to deal with. If you can get a word in edgewise, they'll often let you out over NJ (watch out for the Teterboro jets!) but I never see anyone heading out over Manhattan. You need to be above 2000' to be legal because of the height of the buildings and then you're starting to get into the altitudes the jets are using on approach to JFK or LGA.

Over the Hudson River (East River too) is VFR (uncontrolled) airspace up to 1500 feet [edit: this was changed to 1300 feet in 2009, after the accident referenced below] bank to bank up to the George Washington Bridge. My flight instructor told me that the radar shadow of the buildings makes it difficult to control, but I don't really know if that's the reason. You don't need ATC permission to fly there.

It's a zoo, though, pretty dense helicopter and small plane traffic, and everybody's looking at the big buildings, not the other planes. In 2009 a small plane and helicopter collided, killing 9 people. I've flown up there once, and it was totally worth it, but I probably wouldn't do it again.

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