"Microsoft's senior director of research Chris Betz said in a blog post.", "Several security researchers", "wrote one developer", "But another said" So is this what the disclosure issue is going to look like when packaged up for the masses? No historical context on how the ongoing disagreements are the latest in decades of ongoing discussion? Or any mention of the events that shaped the popular ideas today? Just a so…
Microsoft hits out at Google team over bug report
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does it really matter if it's 90 or 92 day disclosure?
> Does it really matter if it's 90 or 92 day disclosure? Yes. Google designed Project Zero to "pressure firms into dealing with security problems more quickly." A firm policy with unambiguous enforcement has its advantages. Muddying the 90-day deadline with questions about when (and for whom) to make exceptions weakens it. For example, in the future, I expect Microsoft will not wait the extra two days in the event of…
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#54This is crazy. By now the world really knows about Microsoft's second-tuesday-of-the-month policy for patches. If Google isn't willing to wait the two additional days such that the patch can be deployed within the regular update window, this means that Google effectively gives MS only 60 days to react and fix issues (because once they missed the second patch day, the vulnerability will be disclosed before the third).…
Microsoft was actually asking for 92 days to fix the bug, not 2 days...
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#55What? Microsoft asked for 2 extra days and Google refused? Seems like an asshole move. I am in general a huge Google fan, but in using Google services I realize that I am not much of a customer (I purchase extra storage and buy stuff on the Play Store); advertisers are the customers. Microsoft on the other hand gets its money from computer users and it seems like they have a much more customer focused mentality.
Re: Microsoft hits out at Google team over bug report
#56This is crazy. By now the world really knows about Microsoft's second-tuesday-of-the-month policy for patches. If Google isn't willing to wait the two additional days such that the patch can be deployed within the regular update window, this means that Google effectively gives MS only 60 days to react and fix issues (because once they missed the second patch day, the vulnerability will be disclosed before the third).…
Even so, this is a clash of two policies and Google needs to reevaluate its deadline (is 120 days better for everyone, including users?).
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#57Re: Microsoft hits out at Google team over bug report
#58What? Microsoft asked for 2 extra days and Google refused? Seems like an asshole move. I am in general a huge Google fan, but in using Google services I realize that I am not much of a customer (I purchase extra storage and buy stuff on the Play Store); advertisers are the customers. Microsoft on the other hand gets its money from computer users and it seems like they have a much more customer focused mentality.
(neither, or both)
Re: Microsoft hits out at Google team over bug report
#59This is crazy. By now the world really knows about Microsoft's second-tuesday-of-the-month policy for patches. If Google isn't willing to wait the two additional days such that the patch can be deployed within the regular update window, this means that Google effectively gives MS only 60 days to react and fix issues (because once they missed the second patch day, the vulnerability will be disclosed before the third).…
Microsoft was actually asking for 92 days to fix the bug, not 2 days...
Then again what does Google care, they don't use or support anything Microsoft, so it doesn't affect them.
Re: Microsoft hits out at Google team over bug report
#60This is crazy. By now the world really knows about Microsoft's second-tuesday-of-the-month policy for patches. If Google isn't willing to wait the two additional days such that the patch can be deployed within the regular update window, this means that Google effectively gives MS only 60 days to react and fix issues (because once they missed the second patch day, the vulnerability will be disclosed before the third).…
Which is a dumb policy for security patches. When its fixed it should be released.
> If Google isn't willing to wait the two additional days such that the patch can be deployed within the regular update window, this means that Google effectively gives MS only 60 days to react and fix issues (because once they missed the second patch day, the vulnerability will be disclosed before the third).
Google doesn't dictate Microsoft's patch releasing policy. 90 days are 90 days. Microsoft doesn't have "only 60 days", they have 90 days like anyone else, and they chose to miss it by adhering to a policy of their own choosing that makes security patches less timely.
The whole purpose of a fixed 90-day window is to give reasonable time to fix a security vulnerability but also to create pressure to do so timely. Making exceptions for vendors to accommodate existing policies that make security fixes less timely would both increase the effort for Google (as a fixed time window is always easier to implement than one that varies with each vendors policies) and undermine the whole purpose of the 90-day timeline.