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Or, you know, they just didn't want to publish racist caricatures under the guise of satire.

Islam isn't a race. Racist merely because many Muslims share an ethnicity in France? But then, they weren't skewering only Islam. I'm genuinely trying to understand this criticism.

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I want to start an English version of Charlie Hebdo. There are tons of materials to make a bi-weekly publication. Who wants to join?

I'm really serious about this.

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Or, you know, they just didn't want to publish racist caricatures under the guise of satire.

You do realize that islam is a religion, not a race, right? Playing the racism card in situations like these is quickly becoming the new Godwin.

Besides, given that most Americans wouldn't even know what kind of cartoons we're talking about, it would have actual news value to show them.

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post #21
post #7

Or, you know, they just didn't want to publish racist caricatures under the guise of satire.

Islam isn't a race. Racist merely because many Muslims share an ethnicity in France? But then, they weren't skewering only Islam. I'm genuinely trying to understand this criticism.

Point, but the destructive views of minorities promoted by this publication is classic imperialist journalism.

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Religious provocation is uncalled for.

Free expression, provided it does not infringe on the next guy's freedom, is fundamental to the survival of a democratic society. Otherwise, we might just as well move to Saudi Arabia, or back to centuries long past.

The problem is, it is too often a one way street, as per the examples here https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/06/police-increas...

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Probably this. Just because most people won't go on a shooting rampage over them doesn't mean the images aren't offensive to some people. No point throwing fuel on the fire.

Of course they are offensive to some people. That's the point. Offend and ridicule views which are ridiculous.

Fact of the matter is, they wouldn't publish offensive cartoons making fun of the Holocaust, Jews, Christians, 9/11 victims, women, etc., so it's not very surprising they won't publish these cartoons, either.

If you want to see offensive cartoons there are plenty of websites just a google search away.

It's funny how many stories are posted on HN about being sensitive to women/minorities/whatever, with comments full of people saying how open and accepting people need to be, then this comes up, and the dominant theme is "We need to publish offensive stuff everywhere, because fuck that group who's different than me."

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Of course they are offensive to some people. That's the point. Offend and ridicule views which are ridiculous.

Your Islamophobia is showing.

You mistake your own ignorance for my Islamophobia - Charlie Hebdo made many comics ridiculing politics, Catholicism (especially Catholicism) and religion as a whole.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably this. Just because most people won't go on a shooting rampage over them doesn't mean the images aren't offensive to some people. No point throwing fuel on the fire.

Of course they are offensive to some people. That's the point. Offend and ridicule views which are ridiculous.

Does that apply to all views, or just those which you find ridiculous?

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post #7

Or, you know, they just didn't want to publish racist caricatures under the guise of satire.

In cattle country, the law is "fence them out," ie. if you don't want your neighbors' cows grazing on your land, it's your job to fence them out, instead of his job to fence them in. Claim: We need something analogous to "fence the out" for "being offended" if we want to construct a broadly participatory society, complete with free, open, and vibrant debate. In other words, perhaps our society should standardize on t…

What about being bigoted and prejudiced contributes to a democracy?
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