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The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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No raises in six years as inflation marches steadily on is a 10% paycut. Criminal. It's a disgrace that our college-educated professional teachers are so under-valued they have to take on multiple side-jobs just to maintain their economic status quo.

education degrees are lower on the IQ scale http://www.statisticbrain.com/iq-estimates-by-intended-colle... I think they are paid about right, given the business model. If we had a private run education system, we would see much higher salaries (and attract much smarter people to the career).

> If we had a private run education system, we would see much higher salaries (and attract much smarter people to the career).

That's a non sequitur.

The reality is that, in states where teachers are paid well, students do well. In states where teachers are paid poorly, students tend to do poorly. Education is a priority in some states and less of a priority in others.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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(full disclosure, I do not know anything about the town OP is from) It is a big sacrifice when you live in a suburban area, which typically don't have great (if any) public transit options. You could easily be 3 or 4 miles out from the nearest grocery store or shop - let alone your job. In many cities in America, you NEED a car to get around. It's just not feasible to live without one.

Is it a big deal to have only one?

If there are 2 working adults in the household? It's a non-starter.

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Great points. This, I think is one of the fundamental problems: --- If parents and local decision-makers really value education (and there is a small portion of the community that does), student and teacher morale would be much different. --- The overall environment matters more than the teacher. We've mentioned it here not too long ago as well. Doesn't matter how fancy the workbooks and new materials or how hard we…

If the problem is community, why not take the students/families who really do care (from all the schools in a metropolitan area) and put them all in the same school? That would at least be a start.

They already exist, most people call them "suburbs."

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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More like "Waynesboro Rotary Club Teacher of the Year"? Looks like this is blogspam with a linkbaity title. Original was "The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom": http://iamjwal.com/the-tough-decision-to-leave-the-classroom...

Thanks, we updated the URL from http://www.schoolleadership20.com/m/blogpost?id=1990010%3ABl....

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If the problem is community, why not take the students/families who really do care (from all the schools in a metropolitan area) and put them all in the same school? That would at least be a start.

We had this on a school level. I am from different country and educational system, but have seen the pattern for several years as I was attending. After first 4 years of school, all the classmates were split according to some equivalent of GPA. Because we had 4 classes in a year (class as a group of students sharing a room and a schedule), it resulted in one full of very good students, two more or less mixed and one…

You get a better ROI on the good students. They ended up with a better education at the end not being dragged down by apathetic/disruptive/clueless classmates while the less gifted students weren't made to speed through material beyond their level. Why don't you think it helped?

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Great points. This, I think is one of the fundamental problems: --- If parents and local decision-makers really value education (and there is a small portion of the community that does), student and teacher morale would be much different. --- The overall environment matters more than the teacher. We've mentioned it here not too long ago as well. Doesn't matter how fancy the workbooks and new materials or how hard we…

Small point, but I think the writers of Breaking Bad agree with you more than you think they do. The show was in no way endorsing meth cooking, as it ruins (nearly) every aspect of Walt's life. In fact, the show was basically saying, "Hey, teaching needs to be more valued in our culture, because right now 'good' teachers can't afford what they need and feel discouraged." Now, of course the meth-cooking was an exagger…

We can take Walter White as a methaphor (yes, pun intended) for science professionals in the US.

He started a science-based business with partners. Then he had to sell his work to the business and cash out to meet the additional living expenses of supporting his family, particularly with respect to the medical needs of his kid. Thus, he was unable to reap the benefits of his own innovation.

Then he started teaching chemistry at a high school, because it was the best (lawful) job he could find with his skills.

When faced with a financial crisis brought on by staggering medical expenses, he decides to turn outlaw. And that is the first step onto the slippery slope.

IF patents, trademarks, and copyrights were geared more towards rewarding creators and innovators to a greater extent than the entities that acquire and own the enforcement rights, the tragic drama would not have occurred.

IF the health care system were better at managing costs and allocating medical resources, middle class people would not be asked to make the decision between paying more than they could reasonably earn in a lifetime and lying down in the gutter to die. The tragic drama would not have occurred.

IF teaching were more prestigious and remunerative as a career, skilled people might choose it first instead of being unhappy with it as their job of last resort. The drama might still have occurred, but WW might have been less of a miserable PoS.

And IF people with enough skill to be chemistry teachers ever figured out that they could make more money by synthesizing reasonably-pure legal analogues to prohibited drugs or previously ignored research molecules with recreational drug potential (and instead of cooking methamphetamine), there wouldn't be enough left to teach all the students. Walter could have made designer drugs loosely based on ketamine or MDMA or even out-of-patent drugs first seen in the 1930s that never got a trade name to replace their IUPAC name, and he wouldn't even have to hide it from his DEA in-law. ...Guess he wasn't so smart after all.

The point is to not paint brilliant minds into a financial corner, because if you think regular smart folks can be scary with the stuff they do by accident, just wait until they have to do those things all the time, on purpose, for money, out of desperation. A software developer with huge chemo bills could turn black hat. A biologist with huge chemo bills could design a pathogenic weapon for terrorists. A desperate physicist could create a radiation weapon. A rogue mechanical engineer could... uh... build a colossal umbrella to blot out the sun?

If there aren't enough fulfilling careers for skilled and disciplined minds within the system, they may turn against it. We already see signs that some such people are being forced to do all of their chemistry with water, milk, and coffee beans. You really don't want too many of them experimenting on the hypothesis that the existing institutional systems are holding them back far more than helping them.

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The sad and infuriating thing is that good teachers leaving public service is precisely what conservative groups strive for I challenge you directly to find any example of a conservative person saying that they want good teachers to leave public service. Most voters and taxpayers who have considered the issue want bad teachers to leave the public payroll, to make more room for good teachers. Young people from poor fa…

There are many wide-right libertarians who want to completely dismantle the public education system. Reducing the overall quality of public school teachers advances their cause.

That's not the same thing that I asked. Nor have you given any examples of anyone saying what I was asking about.

AFTER EDIT: I just received in today's postal mail a mailpiece from a public advocacy organization (I'm not familiar with the organization) pointing out that current union contracts in Minnesota's public schools still require that school districts that have to downsize staff (as some must do as the number of school-age children in Minnesota declines) have to lay off teachers by seniority, not by effectiveness. This organization's policy argument is that any time a school district hires, lays off, or promotes teachers, it should do so on the basis of demonstrated helpfulness to learners learning, not by the order in which the teachers were first hired. That makes sense as a way to staff schools better to help learners, which is what teachers are all about.

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Actually, we do have a shortage of Doctors, especially Primary Care. Caps are set in place by Medicare to limit the number of residents in an academic program. Academic hospitals would love to increase their slots but Medicare won't allow that. I think last year something like 23k students applied to residency programs and only 6k got accepted. What happens to the rejected 17k students as they wander aimlessly to fig…

Medicare has nothing to do with it. The AMA doesn't want doctors flooding the market. They are a very powerful union.

Here's an interesting piece of info from the AAMC: https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/gme/71178/gme_gme0012.html

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>even if Warren were to be the president (a far off prospect, even though she is what the US needs) There's little evidence that Warren wouldn't just continue the current policies of the Obama administration, perhaps with a few extra low-benefit bureaucratic programs on top. She talks a good game, but so did Obama. I think you've hit the nail on the head, though. The problem here is the entire political system. It's…

The current policies of Obama are not necessarily the policies he would like to implement. He voted for the cromnibus' because it keeps government open and funds a few of his signature policies, but that doesn't imply its the budget Obama wanted to pass. Obama has to be pragmatic. Obama and Warren 'talk a good game' as you put it but I'd bet that in a different political system, say Britain's, they'd be execute on th…

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