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The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Honest question: We lived with one car (a car that was given to us) for 4 ½ years. During that time, I walked or rode my bike to school to save on gas. We recently bought a second car with money I saved from my web design business. Is the US really structured so that owning one car is (seen as) a problem?

I don't know about Waynesboro in particular, but in most US cities, public transport is between abysmal and non-existent. Add this to the fact that most cities are not as densely packed (as say Europe) and a penchant for suburban living, cars are quite important for commuting and to maintain a basic quality of life. It is a decent thumb rule that any working person or someone running errands will almost definitely need a car (eg: the nearest supermarket for grocery shopping might be about 5 miles away). So it is extremely common to see families have a couple of cars because the logistics would be very tough to manage with a single car.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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> SOL tests are inherently unfair, I regularly see claims that tests are at odds with learning. What I don't understand is how anyone can tell what kids have learned without some sort of test.

I've found the best way to discern what kids are learning at school is to, you know, talk to them for a few minutes. I think the idea of trying to stack rank teachers and schools works about as well as stack ranking engineers. It's garbage-in garbage-out. The entire premise is faulty. "You can only improve what you can measure" works great on manufacturing lines and click-through-rates. Not so much, strike that, not…

How do you scale "talk to them"? One person can't talk to everyone. Once you have two people talking, how do you know if person As 8 ranking is really bigger than person Bs 7?

Further, if we accept your nihilistic belief that measurement is impossible, how can we know if teaching matters at all? What other sectors of the world does science fail in?

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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> When we have a desperate need like football bleachers that have to be replaced, or turfgrass that isn’t up to par, we somehow find the money. We — through public or private avenues — meet those needs. Why can’t we find funds to address the areas that seem more pertinent to our primary mission?

> Stop by the high school for a sporting event (and I love sports) and you’ll be impressed with the attendance and enthusiasm. Stop by the high school on a parent-teacher night and you’ll see tumbleweed blowing through the halls.

Living in China, the expat community often criticizes how parents are fixated on trying to make sure their child does well; for most Chinese children, every waking moment of their life from elementary school on is focused on trying to get into a university. Childhood often consists of going to class, coming home to eat, going to class, coming home to do homework, and then sleeping.

The irony in the critique is that most Americans (I float around with a mostly American expat community) are unaware how weird their own sports fetish is. I'm American and I love sports too! But it wasn't until recently (like in the last 10 years) it dawned on me how weird it is that Americans love sports so much.

Look at our university system. The university system is just a proxy for a professional sports league, except the participating athletes are not paid and are not allowed to hold jobs. Instead many of them are required to study things they have no interest in, in the hope that they can get by long enough to be able to graduate to a real professional league to begin making a living wage. Meanwhile many schools go bankrupt trying to field a winning team, while the teams that do win make millions that go to university officials.

When a university is mentioned in the news, it is most likely in the context of some sporting event. Imagine what would happen if, instead of focusing on sports, people focused on the actual mission of the university. I think this is a microcosm of American culture and the way we treat education needs to change dramatically. All of these tests and metrics smack weirdly of "sportsification" or "athelitis", where we try to turn education into some sort of game because it makes it easier to understand even when there is little correlation with the original mission.

I don't know if the situation is as dire as I write it to be. This rant is the result of years of incubation in my mind. Hopefully things will change so I don't seem so grumpy or anti-social (like seriously, it's hard to make friends with other guys unless I can say something intelligent about the Big 10).

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #84

Honest question: We lived with one car (a car that was given to us) for 4 ½ years. During that time, I walked or rode my bike to school to save on gas. We recently bought a second car with money I saved from my web design business. Is the US really structured so that owning one car is (seen as) a problem?

Yes. With the exception of some major cities (and even then usually restricted to the central cores) it is nearly impossible to do anything without a vehicle. Areas surrounding cities (the suburbs) usually have some form of public transit but the quality in most cities is so poor that it is impossible to use on a regular basis. Rural areas often have no transit whatsover.

Buying groceries, going to work, doing any other errand outside of the house requires a car. Therefore, if two adults live in a home, they generally need two cars if they are going to be capable of being independent.

All in all, it's a pretty terrible situation.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #84

Honest question: We lived with one car (a car that was given to us) for 4 ½ years. During that time, I walked or rode my bike to school to save on gas. We recently bought a second car with money I saved from my web design business. Is the US really structured so that owning one car is (seen as) a problem?

It is not uncommon to commute 30 miles or more to work (one way) in Los Angeles, for example. My commute used to be 62 miles each way, then I cut it to 45 miles, and now it's about 10 miles. There is no effective public transportation system that could take me to/from work faster than even driving in rush hour traffic could.

So at least in LA, it is definitely a big problem to not have independent cars.

Edit: I should also say that where I used to live in Europe, those commuting distances would take me to completely different cities!

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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Do we care more about student progress or our appearance? We care about both, and we have to. Proposed solutions will have to cater to this reality to have any hope of success. Why can’t we start a movement to walk away from these tests? Because a ton of scared people think the tests are the safety net of education. They are the last resort. If you got a bad education and can still past the test, it's a quantifiable…

>> Why can’t we start a movement to walk away from these tests? >Because a ton of scared people think the tests are the safety net of education. They are the last resort. If you got a bad education and can still past the test, it's a quantifiable bare minimum. Why does test-driven development enable the efficient creation of software that works, but the same isn't true of education? For example, asking a student to r…

I mostly understand your position, but I have one perspective.

> in essence then you are essentially arguing that it is impossible to test an education.

Education can teach techniques, such as multiplication table or spellings, and that part of education is easy to test. However, education also builds the foundation---of learning how to study, or of how to educate yourself, or of how to be intellectually responsible---and that part is hard to test. The effect might be only visible years after you leave the school, after you go through tough problems as a responsible adult.

I'd love the test-based quantitative approach, and I'm sure there are researches, but this required time span to run test-implement cycle seems to make it very difficult issue to tackle.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #84

Honest question: We lived with one car (a car that was given to us) for 4 ½ years. During that time, I walked or rode my bike to school to save on gas. We recently bought a second car with money I saved from my web design business. Is the US really structured so that owning one car is (seen as) a problem?

Outside of downtown urban centers, somewhat yes. Generally you need one car per worker. Part of the reason cities are becoming popular again is because people don't want to have to deal with all this bullshit, and be able to walk/bike/public transit to work in less than 30 minutes.

Here's some of the reasons why it feels like you need one car per worker:

You don't live super close to work because either you can't afford it or it's not very safe. In this case close means like 5 to 10 minutes driving time, which is at most like an hour or so walking or biking.

You could carpool with another worker who lives close to you, BUT jobs aren't secure. If the only person who lives near you quits/gets fired/gets laid off and you don't have a car, you either need to buy one fast or you need to find another job. What ends up happening is you switch who drives to work each week, but that means you still need a car for your weeks to drive.

You could drive with your spouse, but they probably have work in an entirely separate direction since you optimized for both of you to have the shortest collective commute. That means using more gas to go out of your way to drop someone off and either working weird hours or waiting a long time for the other person either after a drop off or before a pickup, Also, not everywhere will let you just hangout at work waiting for a ride.

You could walk or bike to work, but that will take a long time (>30 minutes at least) on infrastructure not really set up to support that and with no cleanup facilities or places to change at work (some places have showers, but its rare).

Public transit might actually take longer than walking/biking because of all the extra stops or because you have to take a circuitous route with several transfers. Not to mention that public transit isn't the best outside of urban centers and a few commute corridors, so there will be a lot of waiting if you miss a ride/connection. depending on where you live, you might need to drive to/from public transit near your house because of how long it would take to walk to the pickup point.

Taking a taxi will be more expensive than buying a car and paying for gas yourself.

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #84

Honest question: We lived with one car (a car that was given to us) for 4 ½ years. During that time, I walked or rode my bike to school to save on gas. We recently bought a second car with money I saved from my web design business. Is the US really structured so that owning one car is (seen as) a problem?

Depends where you are. Larger northern/coastal cities are often almost European, but elsewhere.. Subjectively speaking, I noticed two main issues:

1) Practical: cities/towns are often extremely spread out/car oriented, often with no footpaths connecting different areas forcing you to walk in the road, and occasionally you'll find that there is no way to travel between two points other than highway/interstates (which does have a hard motorized vehicle dependency).

2) Social: Especially further south, people not travelling by car are often 'viewed with suspicion' (vagrants, murderers, bogeymen).

Re: The Tough Decision to Leave the Classroom

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post #84

Honest question: We lived with one car (a car that was given to us) for 4 ½ years. During that time, I walked or rode my bike to school to save on gas. We recently bought a second car with money I saved from my web design business. Is the US really structured so that owning one car is (seen as) a problem?

It is not uncommon to commute 30 miles or more to work (one way) in Los Angeles, for example. My commute used to be 62 miles each way, then I cut it to 45 miles, and now it's about 10 miles. There is no effective public transportation system that could take me to/from work faster than even driving in rush hour traffic could. So at least in LA, it is definitely a big problem to not have independent cars. Edit: I shoul…

30 miles one way doesn't sound uncommon in Tokyo as well, though the extensive public transportation system makes the need of cars much less than US. So I think it also depends on the policy of city design. I guess it's harder to omit cars for the rural parts of US rather than cities.

(I lived in LA about a year without car. It's ok if you're single, but if you have family it's a totally different story.)

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