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Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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> Even the CDC has admitted it excluded the data showing that the chance of autism from vaccination increases based on the race of the children being injected. http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp > So keep using slurs to bash those who prefer to act in their own self interest rather than discussing the real facts. Would you like to discuss some more "real facts?" I'm happy to oblige.

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Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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So depressing. If you're not vaccinating your child, you are putting the following people at risk: - Other idiots like yourself who chose not to vaccinate their child and their very unlucky children. - Vaccinated people (because a vaccine is never 100% effective). - Babies too young to be vaccinated. And of course, you are taking part in resurrecting a disease that had been officially announced as eradicated in 2000.…

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I think you don't understand science. You choose to believe one unpublished bit of gossip about a unpublished study on one segment of the population (which happened to disappear when the study was done a slightly different way), but you ignore the overwhelming evidence that vaccines have nothing to do with autism?

Yes, idiots is a good word for these people. All the evidence shows that vaccines do a hell of a lot more good than harm, yet the continue to believe in shitty science and conspiracy theories.

Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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> Even the CDC has admitted it excluded the data showing that the chance of autism from vaccination increases based on the race of the children being injected. http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp > So keep using slurs to bash those who prefer to act in their own self interest rather than discussing the real facts. Would you like to discuss some more "real facts?" I'm happy to oblige.

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"As the CDC noted, the authors of that study suggested the most likely explanation for the moderate correlation between autism and vaccination in young children was the existence of immunization requirements for autistic children enrolled in special education preschool programs."

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp#d...

The Snopes article has you out-experted. Moreover, it fits with all the other studies ever done.

Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin ... And anti-vaccine folks are not ignorant, they are way more dangerous than that.

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Lets just say that the relationship is purely corrupt. How does that justify not immunising your children and endangering other peoples children? This argument is bogus, and you've helped to clearly demonstrate the quote above at work.

Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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You're right, effective is more accurate. I picked my wording very carefully. I'm not one to use insults lightly but this topic enrages me. It's one thing to make choices that are detrimental to yourself, it's worse to make such choices that impact your children (who are helpless) but I think it's the ultimate disgrace to make choices that endanger the entire population.

So that means you're also against smoking and drinking...? Not trying to be snarky - but there are LOTS of activities that are socially acceptable that endanger others. And they are probably a whole lot more dangerous overall than lack of vaccination. (For the record, my children and I are vaccinated).

Smoking and drinking do not necessarily endanger others. You can smoke by yourself, or drink without driving etc.

Vaccination is not the same, unless you intend to quarantine your kids forever.

Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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You're right, effective is more accurate. I picked my wording very carefully. I'm not one to use insults lightly but this topic enrages me. It's one thing to make choices that are detrimental to yourself, it's worse to make such choices that impact your children (who are helpless) but I think it's the ultimate disgrace to make choices that endanger the entire population.

So that means you're also against smoking and drinking...? Not trying to be snarky - but there are LOTS of activities that are socially acceptable that endanger others. And they are probably a whole lot more dangerous overall than lack of vaccination. (For the record, my children and I are vaccinated).

Smoking and drinking aren't highly contagious and usually don't kill in days/weeks.

Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even the CDC has admitted it excluded the data showing that the chance of autism from vaccination increases based on the race of the children being injected. http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp > So keep using slurs to bash those who prefer to act in their own self interest rather than discussing the real facts. Would you like to discuss some more "real facts?" I'm happy to oblige.

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What about the immediately following paragraph from said author?

"I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."

I don't disagree that disclosing the full set of information is usually better, but it can be problematic to include every bit of data and attempt to justify everything, particularly in the rat race that is funding for research.

Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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So depressing. If you're not vaccinating your child, you are putting the following people at risk: - Other idiots like yourself who chose not to vaccinate their child and their very unlucky children. - Vaccinated people (because a vaccine is never 100% effective). - Babies too young to be vaccinated. And of course, you are taking part in resurrecting a disease that had been officially announced as eradicated in 2000.…

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin ... And anti-vaccine folks are not ignorant, they are way more dangerous than that.

It's almost the same a saying that it's better to have no information than to have incorrect information.

Re: Anti-vaccination update: How the measles crisis struck Disneyland

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So depressing. If you're not vaccinating your child, you are putting the following people at risk: - Other idiots like yourself who chose not to vaccinate their child and their very unlucky children. - Vaccinated people (because a vaccine is never 100% effective). - Babies too young to be vaccinated. And of course, you are taking part in resurrecting a disease that had been officially announced as eradicated in 2000.…

And a reminder to adults, you should be following the CDC recommended vaccine schedule for yourself too:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/easy-to-read/adult.htm...

At least in the US, these are available in most states at the pharmacy and are usually covered by insurance. Pertussis in particular is a leading vaccine preventable cause of death worldwide. So at least be up to date on your Tdap.

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