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Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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Why shouldn't something like Wikipedia that is relatively easy for a carrier to cache locally be charged differently than something for which providing access requires inter-carrier agreements?

It's just an extension of not paying per use of jquery mobile because there's a copy cached on my phone. It's congestion pricing.

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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It's anti-competitive to app devs, not other wireless providers. Classic "pull the ladder up behind me" behavior.

I'm expressly talking about the app devs. It might be truly anti-competitive "ladder-up-behind-you" if all app devs were forced to sponsor client-side traffic. Think of taxi tokens- a fixed barrier to entry. But even then, to be an anti-competitive barrier to entry it must also be high . The cost of a postage stamp on your government paperwork is a barrier to entry, but it is not anti-competitive.

Yes on of the nice things about the internet is that there are no barriers to entry. Or at least there weren't...

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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I'm not sure how much competition Wikipedia has as a free online encyclopedia. Also, Wikipedia is a non-profit, and doesn't really make more money by having more people use the site. It's strange to claim that Wikipedia is being anti-competitive. Personally, I think Wikipedia Zero is a great program. The article also says: > The reason that the Chinese, Russian and Cuban governments fear an open Internet more than an…

> I'm not sure how much competition Wikipedia has as a free online encyclopedia.

but that's not the point, is it? what if I wanted to launch a competitor? the fact Wikipedia is non-profit shouldn't grant it some kind of super status above my business idea. non-profit doesn't automatically mean better or less evil for consumers.

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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My mobile contract in the UK is $20 per month for 1000Gb on 4G with tethering permitted, 5000 voice minutes to the same carrier, 2000 voice minutes to any other carrier and 5000 text messages. It is not just the Zero Rating that is evil.

Can I ask what network and what plan you're on?

I am clearly on a vastly inferior one with t-mobile and should switch.

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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My mobile contract in the UK is $20 per month for 1000Gb on 4G with tethering permitted, 5000 voice minutes to the same carrier, 2000 voice minutes to any other carrier and 5000 text messages. It is not just the Zero Rating that is evil.

I'm in the UK and get nowhere near that for a similar price, who are you with? I've just checked and the recurring charge I pay gets: £12 goodybag: will include UK 3GB, 500 minutes, unlimited texts (was 250 minutes, unlimited data) So thanks to your post I've just discovered I'm no longer getting the service I thought I was! It seems they sent a "changes to your service" email which I didn't read because I assumed it…

Three, it's the same deal on PAYG as well.

£17, my $20 is slightly off

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to point out the same. I really like T-Mobile's program since a lot of my data usage was disappearing into streaming music (namely Google Music/Play Music). However I will fully admit it is anti-competitive since if you're a new music streaming service just trying to make it, you won't get onto T-Mobile's free list (and even Google Music/Play Music wasn't until extremely recently, like even two months ago…

Adding to this, the T-Mobile FAQ claims they're willing to add legal services if you contact them: http://www.t-mobile.com/offer/free-music-streaming.html Will you add more streaming providers over time? Absolutely! Any lawful and licensed streaming music service can work with us for inclusion in this offer, which is designed to benefit all of our Simple Choice customers. And we want to hear from you! Who do you thin…

If so, then why do you need a throwaway account to side with the Telcos? The issue is once this becomes standard practice those nice words disappear and a whole new monster appears. Its best to nip it in the bud.

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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This is my preference. I think the only reason T-Mobile offers unlimited music streaming is that it typically consumes <= 256 kbps. I would much rather they offered an "economy mode" switch where I could throttle my entire device and browse whatever I wanted.

T-Mobile offers unlimited music streaming because it is marketable. They are a third-wheel carrier, so they are hustling hard in search of a way to differentiate themselves, and "Unlimited Music" is going to be a much more successful ad campaign than "Unlimited 256kbps Browsing" FWIW I am a T-Mobile customer.

So market it as "Unlimited Music" and implement it as "Unlimited 256kbps browsing".

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

#38
In the article the comparison of everyone sharing the same road infrastructure is given. Why is the analogy not carried over to public transportation? There are plenty of people who are willing to pay a much lower cost per trip by riding public transportation instead of driving (or even owning) a car. Nobody is claiming that the bus system is anti-competitive to car manufacturers.

In fact, the author even states that people could be satisfied by this approach. If people are satisfied with their walled garden, why is this an issue?

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

#39
I'm surprised this discussion didn't come up when FB acquired Whatsapp. IMHO, zero rating explains a significant chunk of Whatsapp's $19B price tag. Zero Rating is a valuable moat, and makes Whatsapp that much harder to unseat by rival apps. Also zero rating is particularly common in the countries that Whatsapp dominates.

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

#40

Why shouldn't something like Wikipedia that is relatively easy for a carrier to cache locally be charged differently than something for which providing access requires inter-carrier agreements? It's just an extension of not paying per use of jquery mobile because there's a copy cached on my phone. It's congestion pricing.

It's not only Wikipedia; it's Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, and other services.

I'm pretty sure you can't cache IMs, as that defeats the whole "instant" part.

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