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Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by lhnz »

daeken wrote: post #33
aaronem wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being murdered for what you say seems like, if not precisely losing, then being at least removed from the board.

People being murdered is a shame, but the only way that it can stifle freedom of speech is if we let it. Obviously the person(s) murdered lose their ability to exercise that freedom when they're murdered, but the point is to continue pushing forward as a whole. Doing that requires us to all decide to continue to utilize our freedom.

As long as the number of people that choose to exercise their freedom of expression does not fall you are right.

Let's just hope that people do not begin to follow extremist muslim law out of fear for their lives.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by longlivegnu »

happyscrappy wrote: post #46
tokenadult wrote: post #40

Posted on my Facebook wall immediately. Thanks for sharing the link. Earlier today, I was searching for news stories about the shooting incident in Paris that would actually show the cartoons published by Charlie Hebdo to establish context for how cowardly and despicable the shooting was. Most English-language press outlets are not showing the cartoons. A comment on one news site pointed out that Spanish-language med…

The appropriate response is print blasphemous cartoons in every paper in the free world. Do they think they can kill everyone?

the appropriate response is to change the culture

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tokenadult wrote: post #40

Posted on my Facebook wall immediately. Thanks for sharing the link. Earlier today, I was searching for news stories about the shooting incident in Paris that would actually show the cartoons published by Charlie Hebdo to establish context for how cowardly and despicable the shooting was. Most English-language press outlets are not showing the cartoons. A comment on one news site pointed out that Spanish-language med…

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Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by mercer »

My heart sunk as soon as I heard the terrorists were muslim extremists, as here in Holland anti-immigrant and anti-muslim feelings are very present, and these incidents are fuel on the fire of racism here.

I really, really hope that people from different muslim communities speak up as well. In past incidents there was a lot of silence, usually prompted by fear (I suspect). I understand if they don't, but I hope they do.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by happyscrappy »

creamyhorror wrote: post #25

BBC coverage: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883 I am outraged at the enormity of the murders, but I can't see a simple solution given the significant presence of extremists. Their brazen acts know no limits; what then are governments to do? In my country, Singapore (which has a significant Muslim population), we have a relative lack of incidents or conflict, but the government also maintains tight control…

Are you implying that you need to have tight control of citizens if you have a significant Muslim population? Somehow the US doesn't have this problem within the Muslim community.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by cgrand-net »

aaronem wrote: post #29
daeken wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is freedom of speech best defended in the face of unreasonable people who have no limits to what they are prepared to do? By everyone continuing to utilize their freedom of speech. It's really that simple. The only way to lose is to not make use of your freedom.

Being murdered for what you say seems like, if not precisely losing, then being at least removed from the board.

Charb, one of the victims (and maybe the main target) said in 2012: "Je n'ai pas de gosses, pas de femme, pas de voiture, pas de crédit. C'est peut-être un peu pompeux ce que je vais dire, mais je préfère mourir debout que vivre à genoux." ("I have no kids, no wife, no car, no debt. It may sound a tad pompous but I'd rather die standing up than on my knees.")

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by baby »

I believe these are papers you can print to show irl.

There are meetings everywhere in France right now and people are displaying those printed papers.

on Facebook everybody is changing their profile picture to this image.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by baby »

hyp0 wrote: post #56

"Je n'ai pas peur des représailles. Je n'ai pas de gosses, pas de femme, pas de voiture, pas de crédit. ça fait sûrement un peu pompeux, mais je préfère mourir debout que vivre à genoux." - Charb, one of the murdered satirists "I am not afraid of retaliation. I have no kids, no wife, no car, no mortgage. It surely is a bit dramatic but I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees" - translation from http://www.re…

note that everyone is quoting Charb on this, sometimes just quoting the "I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees" that is actually him quoting someone else:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Emiliano_Zapata

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by aaronem »

njyx wrote: post #58
jmcomets wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not expressing your freedom of speech in fear of being murdered is definitely what these terrorists want (note the term "terror"-ists).

I think that's unfortunately just the first order aim. The second order is to provoke an even more extreme reaction from the other side which drives wedges and divisions where there were none (or were manageable). Pretty soon everyone is at war.

Not for very long, though, if by "war" you mean war, rather than the sort of half-hearted low-intensity brushfire nonsense of which we've seen so much out of US policymakers for the last couple of decades.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Post by klibertp »

happyscrappy wrote: post #46
tokenadult wrote: post #40

Posted on my Facebook wall immediately. Thanks for sharing the link. Earlier today, I was searching for news stories about the shooting incident in Paris that would actually show the cartoons published by Charlie Hebdo to establish context for how cowardly and despicable the shooting was. Most English-language press outlets are not showing the cartoons. A comment on one news site pointed out that Spanish-language med…

The appropriate response is print blasphemous cartoons in every paper in the free world. Do they think they can kill everyone?

Dunno, but they sure as hell will try...
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