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Re: Je Suis Charlie

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Some context for people wondering what this is about.

Wednesday 7th, at 11am, 3 people entered "Charlie Hebdo" a very well known French satirical newspaper and shot 12 people with kalashnikov. Charlie Hebdo is also known, for their caricatures of the prophet Mahomet.

"Je Suis Charlie" means, "I Am Charlie" and is a message of support to the newspaper.

This is obviously a very short sum-up.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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This is horrible, and we as a society need to somehow make this kind of thing not happen. I have no idea what that means in practice, though. It seems everything that has been tried so far has only escalated the hatred and strengthened the extremists.

Also, at a time like this it is important not to forget that the last major terrorist attack in Europe was instigated by a fundamentalist christian norwegian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

But it's hard not to get swept up in it right now. I too want to _do something_. The question is, what? How is freedom of speech best defended in the face of unreasonable people who have no limits to what they are prepared to do?

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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post #3

I wonder if the debate in the media will focus on religious fanaticism or if they'll start victim blaming by arguing that Charlie Hebdo was asking for it, being provocative.

Religious fanaticism? Were the attackers Buddhists? Shintoists? Jews?

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ridiculous, cowardly, and wrong. Charlie Hebdo is left-wing, and is fairly even handed when it comes to mockery.

Even if they weren't even-handed, it wouldn't change a thing. They could be publishing a newspaper named "Fuck Muhammad" and it'd still be equally wrong for them to have been attacked in this way. I'm not entirely sure why we coddle religious fanatics as we do, but it needs to stop for us to progress as a society.

Oh, I agree, it's just that the impression the FT tries to give ("Charlie Hebdo, the newspaper specialized in Muslim-baiting") is wrong. Hopefully nobody reading this thinks it's entirely reasonable to shoot people for a drawing.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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BBC coverage: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

I am outraged at the enormity of the murders, but I can't see a simple solution given the significant presence of extremists. Their brazen acts know no limits; what then are governments to do? In my country, Singapore (which has a significant Muslim population), we have a relative lack of incidents or conflict, but the government also maintains tight control that probably wouldn't be feasible in Europe (clarification: meaning that mosques and madrasahs are regulated and overseen by an Islamic Council that is part of government).

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Re: Je Suis Charlie

#26

Can someone explain what this is suppose to mean? I know there were attacks in Paris.

Well ... this is satirical magazine that puts offensive content on purpose (not pointlessly though) and they had their headquarters attacked and 10 personal killed (also 2 police officers). They were notorious for mocking all religions and have posted content offensive to all. Right now it is thought that this was the work on islamist terrorists (I have not seen reliable info though, and crazy is cross religion) Now…

Tiny detail, one of the cops that was killed on duty was a Muslim man named Ahmed. Hoping this will help avoiding the racist crowd to take advantage of the event too much.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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post #22

This is horrible, and we as a society need to somehow make this kind of thing not happen. I have no idea what that means in practice, though. It seems everything that has been tried so far has only escalated the hatred and strengthened the extremists. Also, at a time like this it is important not to forget that the last major terrorist attack in Europe was instigated by a fundamentalist christian norwegian. https://e…

> How is freedom of speech best defended in the face of unreasonable people who have no limits to what they are prepared to do?

By everyone continuing to utilize their freedom of speech. It's really that simple. The only way to lose is to not make use of your freedom.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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post #22

This is horrible, and we as a society need to somehow make this kind of thing not happen. I have no idea what that means in practice, though. It seems everything that has been tried so far has only escalated the hatred and strengthened the extremists. Also, at a time like this it is important not to forget that the last major terrorist attack in Europe was instigated by a fundamentalist christian norwegian. https://e…

By force of arms. What else is there?

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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post #27
post #22

This is horrible, and we as a society need to somehow make this kind of thing not happen. I have no idea what that means in practice, though. It seems everything that has been tried so far has only escalated the hatred and strengthened the extremists. Also, at a time like this it is important not to forget that the last major terrorist attack in Europe was instigated by a fundamentalist christian norwegian. https://e…

> How is freedom of speech best defended in the face of unreasonable people who have no limits to what they are prepared to do? By everyone continuing to utilize their freedom of speech. It's really that simple. The only way to lose is to not make use of your freedom.

Being murdered for what you say seems like, if not precisely losing, then being at least removed from the board.

Re: Je Suis Charlie

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post #22

This is horrible, and we as a society need to somehow make this kind of thing not happen. I have no idea what that means in practice, though. It seems everything that has been tried so far has only escalated the hatred and strengthened the extremists. Also, at a time like this it is important not to forget that the last major terrorist attack in Europe was instigated by a fundamentalist christian norwegian. https://e…

At the risk of a naive/blunt response, "Je Suis Charlie". Exercise your freedom. Throw it in the face of anyone who thinks that fear and threats of violence or ANY means are sufficient to oppress it. Be like those who worked for this paper, and stand against this sort of fearmongering. I see no other way to not do a disservice to the people lost in this.
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