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Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

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Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#101
post #31

Let me add this article: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/the-bene... >>But the police union's phrasing—officers shouldn't make arrests "unless absolutely necessary"—begs the question: How many unnecessary arrests was the NYPD making before now?

That's a very important phrase that should be shouted from the rooftops.

Because if there are unnecessary arrests, it's a travesty of our court system. :-/

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#102
post #50
post #29

I work in Manhattan and visit fairly shitty areas of Brooklyn and Queens regularly. These past few weeks have been the first time since I moved here that I've felt safe in the presence of cops. I'd read about enforcement being down just after the funeral for the officers shot in the Bronx but it really didn't click until a pair of them walked down the street by me in Chelsea. They didn't look at my SO like they were…

I'm suspecting that it will eventually prove that those that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. NYC in the '70s and '80s was not that safe. Street crime, muggings, etc. were common. In the 1990s Giuliani stepped up patrols and sarted enforcing what most people thought were petty crimes, such as loitering, graffiti, parking violations, subway-gate-jumping, etc. with the effect that more serious crimes als…

but crime also decreased in other big cities where Giuliani style tactics were not used.

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#103
post #29

I work in Manhattan and visit fairly shitty areas of Brooklyn and Queens regularly. These past few weeks have been the first time since I moved here that I've felt safe in the presence of cops. I'd read about enforcement being down just after the funeral for the officers shot in the Bronx but it really didn't click until a pair of them walked down the street by me in Chelsea. They didn't look at my SO like they were…

Agreed. But they want a reaction, and my fear is that they will expand/escalate their protest until they get one.

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#105

All this back-turning, slowdown, etc. have more to do with the NYPD contract renewal coming up. I hate to say this, but it looks to me that the unions are politicizing the death of the two officers to gain leverage in the contract negotiations.

The slain officer lived in my neighborhood. Every single officer I know was impacted by this. They have 24/hour shifts guarding their house on their own time and thousands of officers showed up to his funeral.

You sound extremely ignorant.

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#106
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm suspecting that it will eventually prove that those that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. NYC in the '70s and '80s was not that safe. Street crime, muggings, etc. were common. In the 1990s Giuliani stepped up patrols and sarted enforcing what most people thought were petty crimes, such as loitering, graffiti, parking violations, subway-gate-jumping, etc. with the effect that more serious crimes als…

There are a number of reasons for the decrease in crime in the 1990s, including a decrease in the use of crack cocaine and, famously, lead removal ( http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-li... ). Causation/correlation, etc.

Crime went down because many criminals couldn't afford rent anymore and left. This is by far the number one reason. Crime in counties in northern pensylvania and parts of NJ went up. The criminals just moved.

The same thing is happening in many "gentrifying" cities. Crime goes down in DC as the rates in neighboring counties in Maryland increase.

You get a fantastic correlation between section 8 housing and crime. Eliminating a ton of crime is not very complicated and doesn't require much police work. You just deport all the poor people. That's effectively what happened under Giuliani.

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#107
post #23
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the shiny toys' cost (capex, training, maintenance) is not paid by the NYPD, but through grants/subsidies from the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism programs. So, cutting that would be great, but wouldn't do much for NYPD's bottom line.

I'd take a significant bet that opex is much higher than capex for that stuff.

Based on that assumption (that I also made when the NYT realsead their 1033 foia data) when I made a drill down for the top line items (based on foia submitted prices) for each county and associated them with the companies for those products[0], that they added to their wiki[1]. It's seems that BAE comes out on top if you also assume that the cost of the equipment by some measure is proportional to the opex (which we already assume could be greater than the capex). Here are the top ten with more listed in [0]:

    ~ BAE SYSTEMS TACTICAL VEHICLE SYSTEMS : $106,955,000.00, items: [u'2355-01-555-0908', u'2355-01-590-1660']
    ~ NAVISTAR DEFENSE LLC : $60,563,580.00, items: [u'2355-01-553-4634', u'4210-01-568-7116', u'2355-01-602-3357']
    ~ U S ARMY TANK AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND : $45,291,296.05, items: [u'2320-01-107-7155', u'2320-01-488-6962', u'1940-01-526-0770', u'2320-01-371-9577', u'2320-01-346-9317', u'2320-01-447-3892', u'2320-01-128-9551', u'2355-01-123-1606', u'2350-01-068-4089', u'2320-01-230-0300', u'2320-01-107-7153', u'2320-01-455-9593', u'2320-01-146-7193', u'2320-01-206-4079', u'2320-01-047-8750', u'2320-01-107-7156', u'2320-01-047-8754', u'2330-01-091-9005', u'2320-01-380-8604', u'2320-00-077-1632', u'2320-01-100-7672', u'2320-01-146-7191', u'2320-01-389-7558', u'2320-01-523-1314', u'2320-01-146-7188', u'2320-01-523-1127', u'2320-00-077-1631', u'2350-01-068-4077', u'2310-01-146-7194', u'2320-01-371-9584', u'2320-01-371-9583', u'2320-01-456-1282', u'2320-01-272-5028', u'2320-01-492-8215', u'2320-01-097-0249', u'2320-01-380-8233', u'2320-01-380-8213', u'2320-01-128-9552', u'2320-01-412-0143', u'2320-01-230-0303', u'2350-01-069-6931', u'3810-01-205-2716', u'8145-01-413-8521', u'2320-01-206-4078', u'2350-01-338-3116', u'2320-01-499-0015', u'2320-01-542-8463', u'2330-01-155-0048', u'2420-01-205-8636', u'2310-01-111-2275', u'2320-01-447-6343', u'5180-01-361-6874', u'2320-01-372-3933', u'2320-01-146-7190', u'2320-01-354-3384', u'2355-00-168-2620', u'2320-01-146-7189', u'2320-01-354-4528', u'2320-01-380-8229', u'2350-01-096-9356', u'2320-01-097-0260', u'2320-01-447-3891', u'2310-01-111-2274', u'2320-01-099-6426', u'2320-01-418-7400']
    ~ BELL HELICOPTER TEXTRON INC. : $21,933,282.00, items: [u'1520-01-020-4216', u'1520-00-087-7637', u'1520-00-169-7137', u'1520-01-043-4949', u'1520-00-133-9286']
    ~ SHORT BROS /USA/ INC : $10,680,000.00, items: [u'1510-01-418-1848']
    ~ NAVAL AIR WARFARE CTR : $10,000,000.00, items: [u'5820-01-435-2596']
    ~ U S ARMY TANK AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND AMSTA-IM-MM U.S: $8,581,181.73, items: [u'2320-01-050-2084', u'2320-01-230-0305', u'2320-01-206-4088', u'2320-00-077-1617', u'2320-01-047-8756', u'2320-01-230-0304', u'2320-01-354-3385', u'2320-01-125-2640', u'2320-00-926-0873', u'2320-00-077-1616', u'2320-01-230-0308', u'2320-01-230-0307', u'2320-01-206-4087', u'2320-01-047-8769', u'2320-01-230-0302', u'2320-01-206-4077', u'2320-01-431-1163', u'3805-01-028-4389', u'4910-00-735-6056', u'2320-01-047-8753', u'2320-01-133-5368']
    ~ HONEYWELL INTERNATIONAL INC. : $8,574,024.50, items: [u'1270-01-384-1108']
    ~ HALTER MARINE INC. : $5,110,617.00, items: [u'1940-01-549-9765']
    ~ WARNER ROBINS AIR LOGISTICS CENTER : $4,764,652.00, items: [u'3805-00-234-9778', u'1005-01-073-2368', u'2320-01-563-7052', u'3825-01-096-5554', u'2320-01-044-7133', u'6115-01-349-1536']



[0] https://github.com/TheUpshot/Military-Surplus-Gear/issues/10

[1] https://github.com/TheUpshot/Military-Surplus-Gear/wiki

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#108
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...so, like, were you the kid in class who always reminded the teachers when they forgot to assign homework? After all, what this is really all about, is an attack aimed to reduce all the funds that those delicious, orange parking tickets generate. All the petty nuisance tickets, and summonses, and violations that harvest money from non-violent citizens, rather than produce burdens by incurring imprisonment costs. Yo…

Hi, I see you're new here, so you might not know yet, but ad hominem attacks like your opening sentence are not welcome on Hacker News.

> Hi, I see you're new here

Hey, ad hominems like your opening sentence are not welcome on Hacker News :)

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#109
post #7

I think this most recent trend in the police department has a huge potential to backfire. Perhaps this will highlight the fact that in the US, our lives have become over-criminalized and over-monitored by an increasingly growing police force and that we simply don't need so many officers and laws. This would be a good thing in America. However, I hate the fact that this change was brought about by the deaths of peopl…

It's all relative I guess. Here in the Nola we desperately, DESPERATELY need more cops.

I'm from STL, about 3 miles from where Michael Brown was shot, closer to where Martin was shot at the mobile station....If NYC wants less police we'll take them.

Our police forces around here are so busy with 911 calls they barely have any time for proactive policing. There's very little patrols and fewer proactive citizen engagements that aren't because crime has flared up in that sector.

Re: Life in New York City, Where Arrests Are Down and Tickets Are Rarities

#110
post #108
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, I see you're new here, so you might not know yet, but ad hominem attacks like your opening sentence are not welcome on Hacker News.

> Hi, I see you're new here Hey, ad hominems like your opening sentence are not welcome on Hacker News :)

That wasn't an ad hominem attack, but an ad hominem greeting.
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