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Re: Intel Compute Stick

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Post by walterbell »

greggman wrote: post #192
_nedR wrote: post #145

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I find that Intel makes quite a few great products and initiatives. They just don't market it as loudly as others. The Intel NUC ( http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/overview.html ) is quite a versatile machine - smaller, better performance and value for money than mac minis, and more hacker friendly. It even has a cute unboxing experience (The box plays the intel jingle when you open it) Then there are initi…

I was forced to use NUCs for a project. They were under powered for me. All I needed to do was draw 5 fullscreen quads at 1920x1080 but all they could handle was 4 fullscreen quads at 1280x720. I'm sure they're great for some things so YMMV

Was that an Ivy Bridge or Haswell GPU?

Re: Intel Compute Stick

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Post by GordonS »

Shad0w59 wrote: post #79
aditya wrote: post #40

$149 for Windows 8.1 version and $89 for Linux version, not bad. via: http://techreport.com/news/27619/intel-compute-stick-is-a-14...

Quite expensive, given that you can pick up a cheap Chinese tablet with a screen, HDMI out, micro SD slot etc. for around the same price.

This is a good bit smaller than a tablet

Re: Intel Compute Stick

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Post by walterbell »

medecau wrote: post #134

Is it expectable that this will ship with Intel Management Engine? And if so why is it that 4 hours after posting there is no mention of this? We should be asking these questions upfront.

Do Intel Atom chipsets support an AMT / ME processor? ARK has no mention of AMT: http://ark.intel.com/products/82116/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z37...

http://www.pymnts.com/in-depth/2014/intel-adds-encryption-to... says, "The protocol, code-named Baker Beach, “adds an extra layer of software to protect the payment process .. software resides and runs on the Intel chipset for enhanced security .. tablets with the Intel Atom processor code-named Bay Trail-T and future Intel Atom processors,” will also work ...Intel’s position is that it’s approach is more secure because it is using a security co-processor that appears to the OS as a separate external device"

That description implies a separate chip is added for use cases where Atom processors need OOB management/security.

Re: Intel Compute Stick

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Post by wtallis »

walterbell wrote: post #197
wtallis wrote: post #173

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There's a lot out there that can do NAT and some firewalling in software at large fractions of a gigabit/s for pretty cheap. But if you throw in QoS and queue management the CPU requirements get very high by the standards of MIPS and embedded x86. And unfortunately, none of the network acceleration hardware you'll find on any of those SoCs has anything like a hardware implementation of fq_codel or even RED. The CeroW…

How about running the packet filter in a dual-NIC VM on a VT-d capable PC? Dell T20 has Xeon E3 for $500 with 1TB disk and 4GB RAM. Add a PCI NIC for firewall purposes and still have the rest of the PC for use to run other VMs. GPU can be passed through to another VM.

Yeah, using desktop-class hardware works almost effortlessly, but it's not really a good substitute for a $120 router that gets by with passive cooling. This discussion is about whole computers that could hide inside the power supply for that server and run off its standby power rail.

If you're going to be running a server 24/7 anyways, it makes sense to equip it to also be your firewall and gateway. But that doesn't eliminate the huge gap between such a machine and off-the-shelf consumer networking equipment.

Re: Intel Compute Stick

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Post by rab_oof »

walterbell wrote: post #146
johnvschmitt wrote: post #127

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I appreciate your inputs, but IMO this use case is kind of inevitable. Yes, it's hard, and not quite doable today. But, there are millions of people working on making the components of this solution better. It's so attractive to carry around a computer in our pockets (our "phones") and it's really not much of a stretch to envision a near future where the thing in our pocket is our "local data/projects" that we can pl…

> Small local storage (working cache) with the rest in the cloud. > Before you know it, it's going to seem archaic to have local working data on any other device than the one in your pocket. These requirements seem to contradict each other. Do you want a thin/cloud client or offline compute? Moka5 has an offline compute offering, http://www.moka5.com/2014/10/21/comparing-moka5-livepc-vs-vm...

Does Moka5 have something new eg they're still alive?

Moka5 was basically running apps on packaged VMware hypervisors on Mac and Windows endpoints, but centrally-managed like Citrix Metaframe.

The better approach is simply wrap the app up in a read-only bundle, use an fs driver to redirect writes to a shadow vol and deploy it to endpoints without having N addl VMs to manage (so it can work ThinApp or client-side.). Even the OS minus config should really be a verifiable, read-only archive.

Disclaimer: I've had mtgs with Monica at Stanford. The similar word from both Citrix and Vmware is that that neither could develop sustainable professional relationships for an acquisition event to occur. Sad, but typical.

Re: Intel Compute Stick

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Post by rab_oof »

riffraff wrote: post #177
simi_ wrote: post #175

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> It even has a cute unboxing experience (The box plays the intel jingle when you open it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjdyudYdIPc That's very cute, however if it's the box that actually plays the sound isn't it terribly wasteful, ecologically?

there are birthday card that do the same, it's very little extra stuff compared to the computer itself, I imagine.

The dirty relationship between life and entropy could be "hoard as much energy as possible, multiply and feel free to waste energy for fun."

Re: Intel Compute Stick

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Post by rab_oof »

vacri wrote: post #162
rab_oof wrote: post #126

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How many of these sticks, powered hubs and controlling computers would you have to buy to equal one green 1U server? On the order of 64 USB sticks, 15 powered hubs AND one computer... That's 15 cheap bricks and a computer's power supply that have to be made and suck down power versus a quality, high-efficiency switching PSU that is about ~98% efficient. Doing the math on the supply chain sourcing of each component is…

How does a cloud VM satisfy the 'intel stick' use-case? Where is the HDMI port? Also, since you're piling on every possible thing you can to make your case, you should also include the power systems of every networking device between your cloud VM and you.

What use case? They are already loads of TV tuner cards that are cheaper and exist.
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