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Re: What's the cheapest living situation possible that still has basic utilities?

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Pick a college town and rent an apartment, optionally with a roommate. In much of the American midwest this implies an all-in rent & utilities expense in the $500 range. If you wanted to try something more exotic, you can do the digital nomad thing and rent somewhere in Thailand for ~$100 a month, but honestly as a programmer I feel that optimizing sub-$500 expenses is not the best use of one's time versus figuring o…

> I feel that optimizing sub-$500 expenses is not the best use of one's time versus figuring out how to make money Second this. You can only save so much, but there's practically no upper limit on how much you can make. Plus making money is more fun than saving it. Saving generally requires sacrifices that decrease your quality of life. And there are diminishing returns, so you'll need to make ever-bigger sacrifices…

The danger is that increasing your income often leads people to spend more on higher quality things that they might not need, thus forcing you to work longer, or to make even more money.

The trick is to be happy living well within your means, even if that means a lower quality of life than you could afford (but not a low quality of life)

Re: What's the cheapest living situation possible that still has basic utilities?

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Pick a college town and rent an apartment, optionally with a roommate. In much of the American midwest this implies an all-in rent & utilities expense in the $500 range. If you wanted to try something more exotic, you can do the digital nomad thing and rent somewhere in Thailand for ~$100 a month, but honestly as a programmer I feel that optimizing sub-$500 expenses is not the best use of one's time versus figuring o…

> I feel that optimizing sub-$500 expenses is not the best use of one's time versus figuring out how to make money Second this. You can only save so much, but there's practically no upper limit on how much you can make. Plus making money is more fun than saving it. Saving generally requires sacrifices that decrease your quality of life. And there are diminishing returns, so you'll need to make ever-bigger sacrifices…

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Re: What's the cheapest living situation possible that still has basic utilities?

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The cheapest way I've found to live was to buy a 4+ unit apartment building that when the 3+ other apartments are fully rented cover the cost of the mortgage, and utilities. As a result, net out of pocket each year for housing + utilities + taxes + insurance is < $0. (we turn a profit each year) For us, this means we can reinvest our earnings in our businesses and live a very comfortable middle class lifestyle. We li…

What sort of deposit did you need to buy an apartment building?

I'd wager that this isn't a viable solution for most people.

Re: What's the cheapest living situation possible that still has basic utilities?

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Pick a college town and rent an apartment, optionally with a roommate. In much of the American midwest this implies an all-in rent & utilities expense in the $500 range. If you wanted to try something more exotic, you can do the digital nomad thing and rent somewhere in Thailand for ~$100 a month, but honestly as a programmer I feel that optimizing sub-$500 expenses is not the best use of one's time versus figuring o…

For sure. Even Mr Money Mustache lives on around 24K per year. One of the problems with a focus on living cheap is that the rest of the world is still expensive. You can find ways to live super cheap, but medical is still outrageous. Traveling to an expensive city will still take a large chunk out of a small income. Your focus should be on increasing options. That's probably making more money. You can make a decision…

One of the problems with a focus on living cheap is that the rest of the world is still expensive. You can find ways to live super cheap, but medical is still outrageous

Or technology. A new iPhone isn't cheaper in Thailand.

Re: What's the cheapest living situation possible that still has basic utilities?

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Pick a college town and rent an apartment, optionally with a roommate. In much of the American midwest this implies an all-in rent & utilities expense in the $500 range. If you wanted to try something more exotic, you can do the digital nomad thing and rent somewhere in Thailand for ~$100 a month, but honestly as a programmer I feel that optimizing sub-$500 expenses is not the best use of one's time versus figuring o…

>If you wanted to try something more exotic, you can do the digital nomad thing and rent somewhere in Thailand for ~$100 a month, I feel like I should point out that getting something that cheap in Thailand is difficult and certainly will not be pretty. I have previously lived in Thailand for just under a year and then gone on to be a digital nomad for three years and counting, mostly in south east Asia. Its pretty t…

Note: I got an apartment in Davao (which is in the Philippines) for $180/mo, utilities included (which includes air conditioning and wi fi and all other normal things), near city center. Took a small amount of insider knowledge (read: I asked a native friend I had made how people find apartments -- her answer was only marginally more complex than 'ayos dito', which is an/the online marketplace in the Philippines -- and had her help out when the guy's English was not quite amazing).

Re: What's the cheapest living situation possible that still has basic utilities?

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The cheapest way I've found to live was to buy a 4+ unit apartment building that when the 3+ other apartments are fully rented cover the cost of the mortgage, and utilities. As a result, net out of pocket each year for housing + utilities + taxes + insurance is < $0. (we turn a profit each year) For us, this means we can reinvest our earnings in our businesses and live a very comfortable middle class lifestyle. We li…

What city?

I've seen 8-10 unit apartment buildings for as little as 300k in Houston and 4 unit buildings for about the same price in a better part of town.

Re: What's the cheapest living situation possible that still has basic utilities?

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Pick a college town and rent an apartment, optionally with a roommate. In much of the American midwest this implies an all-in rent & utilities expense in the $500 range. If you wanted to try something more exotic, you can do the digital nomad thing and rent somewhere in Thailand for ~$100 a month, but honestly as a programmer I feel that optimizing sub-$500 expenses is not the best use of one's time versus figuring o…

>If you wanted to try something more exotic, you can do the digital nomad thing and rent somewhere in Thailand for ~$100 a month, I feel like I should point out that getting something that cheap in Thailand is difficult and certainly will not be pretty. I have previously lived in Thailand for just under a year and then gone on to be a digital nomad for three years and counting, mostly in south east Asia. Its pretty t…

If you're keen on Cambodia even a newly-arrived white person could get a good hotel room, with wifi (and television) in Battambang or Phnom Penh for $5 per night for a couple of days a couple of years back, so I'm sure ~$200ish per month is do-able even for beginners if they're keen on the street food.

If you're keen on Asia mainly to minimise costs, Thailand probably isn't the best place to start.

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Move to a cheaper country. I moved to Guatemala a few years ago and live for around $8000 a year which includes a nice wooden cottage on a lake with three volcanos, decent internet, and eating out in really great restaurants three times a day. 3:05 is the lake https://vimeo.com/87304272

Agreed. I worked remotely in Mexico for 3 months and saved about 2 grand a month && lived better than I'd ever lived in the US. Nice rental in the best part of town, great food, top shelf tequila. I can't wait to go somewhere else and try it again.

Re: What's the cheapest living situation possible that still has basic utilities?

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I've been able to do this after re-arranging my life over the past 5 years. I bought 7 acres of bare land for $35k and built a 200 sqft tiny house for $4,000. I homestead as much as I can and my bills are approximately $40/DSL, $40/Electrical, $35/Car insurance (I drive a 90s Honda), and approximately $30 a month in property taxes. I spend about $40 in propane for heat in the winter and my air conditioning bill is an…

You're living my dream. I haven't been able to do what you're doing because remote work is hard to find. Because remote work has been so difficult to find, I've been hesitant to go all out like you have. I scouted all sorts of places and have not been able to get the variables to all work out. I hang around the outskirts of cities and cobble together a living, and I go into the city for meetups. If I were doing what…

Remote work can be pretty easy to negotiate with smaller businesses. If you want to be a lead engineer for a fortune 500, good luck. But if you want to be the sole Admin for 1 or 2 small businesses and work remotely and only come in to install routers and such, it suddenly becomes MUCH easier to find.

You may take a pay cut, you work may become a little less interesting, but thats the tradeoff. I did just this and I think it was WELL worth it, life is slower paced, cheaper, I now have the flexibility to work from any location I want, Im headed to Cancun for two weeks next month for work... life is rough.

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