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Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#11
I'm not educated about this, but I'm guessing that recession means less mobility and smaller spendings. Perhaps a good project would help people save money or make wiser purchases. Perhaps Netflix will eat everybody up (although I don't know much about it). Perhaps services that facilitate something between people who are physically in proximity, like Craigslist, will eat everybody up.

I generally agree with shayan... and I don't think this is something you can just wait until it's "over" -- it won't just come and go like one of those cartoony storm clouds. The other thing of concern is, suppose China sustains hyper growth during the recession. Your competition is now over there, and they won't wait. What a dilemma.

I hope pg replies to your question; would love to see his answer.

Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#12
Wow, thanks for all the comments!

@nickb: That Morgan Stanley report is what prompted this post. I think it is prudent to question the source, however.

@shayan: My team and I have 6 months of savings, meaning we can pay the bills for 6 months before we either need income or investment. Do you think that is long enough?

@skmurphy: This makes a lot of sense to me, there are a few anecdotal stories about 2002-2003 being a great time to have started a company. And theres that report that ~50% of pre-1999 companies are still around. Good point.

After thinking about it some more I came to several comclusions: 1. I am very unhappy at my current job. I'm young intelligent (or so I think), hard working, and I have big dreams. I am capable of doing much more with my life than this job.

2. If my startup fails, I can blame it on the economy.

3. Maybe it is a bad time, and maybe it is a mistake to start a company right now. But its a bigger mistake, even a tradgedy to be afraid of the unknown. I won't let my life be run by fear.

I'll keep the YC crowd posted about our progress ;-)

Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#13
post #9

A recession is the best time to start a firm. Most companies make more mistakes and develop more bad habits when times are easy than when times are tough. It may take tough times to uncover the bad habits you developed and the unrealistic assumptions that you made when times were good, but it's the bad habits that are responsible, not tough times. Focus on customers and revenue and a value proposition that's compelli…

I agree. As the 37 Signals people say- Embrace Your Constraints.

Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#14

Wow, thanks for all the comments! @nickb: That Morgan Stanley report is what prompted this post. I think it is prudent to question the source, however. @shayan: My team and I have 6 months of savings, meaning we can pay the bills for 6 months before we either need income or investment. Do you think that is long enough? @skmurphy: This makes a lot of sense to me, there are a few anecdotal stories about 2002-2003 being…

Since I have no idea what your product is, how big your team is, how much experience you have and what resources you have access to, it is hard to say how much saving is good and how much time you can spend with it (since the costs are also unkonwn).

But I would say in general you would spend about 6 months developing your product, and having something ready anywhere from a good working alpha version to something more of a working prototype and work in progress. I hardly doubt there are too many companies that can start generating revenues (let alone profits to spend on living expenses) within six months from the day they start.

So I would say the best way to do this is to start working on the idea before you quit your job, try to get a prototype or something together, and start looking for funding. I think in your case at the end of six months you will def need outside money (again since I doubt you'll be generating revenues by then and you are out of savings).

So regardless, if you do quit, I would recommend you looking for money right away. The worst thing to ever do is to ask for money when you need it, and when you are under pressure. Take your time, do your shopping, find out how interested people are in your product and try to raise some smart money before your time is up.

and please do keep us in the loop, and good luck to you

Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#15

It's really irrelevant from your p.o.v. when you really think it through. All a recession does is trim the excess baggage from the economy. Companies that aren't the most efficient, and from the startup world, the concepts that aren't the most profitable or capable have difficulty. The rest make a little less, but get by. IMO it's the best time to start something, since you'll be thinking "worst case" right off the b…

That sounds logical but unfortunately it's not that simple. In 2001 I was part of a telecom related startup. All of the telcos were severely affected by the downturn, not just the bad ones. After the bubble burst nobody would do any deals that didn't have a positive effect on the balance sheet within that same quarter. So, effectively, they just stopped to launch new services. They all just stopped at the same time. Period. End of story.

So my advice to CarpeDiem is this: In a recession even more than at other times, don't depend on big deals you have to close in order to survive. Lots of small customers that value your product and pay real money is what you want in that situation (and probably in any situation). I wouldn't rely ad revenue either because it's notoriously volatile in recessions.

Ah yes, before I forget (although I'd rather like to forget that) we did actually have venture capital funding, but the VC went bankrupt before the second (already agreed) round of funding went through. And that VC was a subsidiary of a major corporation, an icon of stability, not reliant on the tech or telecoms sector, but it still went bust :-)

Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#16
post #5

I'd say we're very close to recession. Even Morgan Stanley says we're gonna enter recession soon: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&#38...

Expletive deity, just this report? That triggered the 2+% drop in the last 2 hours!??!?

Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#17
post #9

A recession is the best time to start a firm. Most companies make more mistakes and develop more bad habits when times are easy than when times are tough. It may take tough times to uncover the bad habits you developed and the unrealistic assumptions that you made when times were good, but it's the bad habits that are responsible, not tough times. Focus on customers and revenue and a value proposition that's compelli…

This is a great point, IMO. I'd add to it that, if you have a choice, SOLVE A PROBLEM. A recession is certainly a good time to solve a business problem (save your customers time/money) but may not be as good a time for an ad-supported social "fun" site.

Either way, keep it lean (in terms of investment and burn rate).

Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#18
It doesn't matter. First of all, it is notoriously impossible for anyone except a few pros (if even them) to time the market. So don't even bother trying. Just live your life.

But second, even if you were sure that a recession was coming, you shouldn't let it affect your plans for starting a startup. Yes, funding does tend to dry up somewhat when the economy is bad. But if you look at startups that succeed vs. those that fail, the quality of what they built has much more effect on the final outcome than the state of the economy when they were getting started.

So this is yet another case of founders worrying about the wrong things. Recessions don't kill startups. Making mediocre stuff kills startups.

Re: Ask YC: Is there a recession/depression coming?

#19
I agree with everyone about not waiting to start, but there are ways in which you may have to adjust your business model to account for a global lack of credit, especially when US consumers are so dependent on credit for spending. I think the value of internet ads is going to drop substantially over the next few years as a result of much more sluggish consumer spending.

To me it just means the same thing that you hear all over: make a good product that has tangible value, and people will pay you to use it.

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