Live data from Hacker News

Why Rosyna Can't Take a Movie Screenshot

alexrad.me

81–90 of 159 posts

Re: Why Rosyna Can't Take a Movie Screenshot

#82
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has strong consumer protection rights. The angle to take is that media is sold misleadingly. When I buy a DVD / Bluray I am paying for a physical disc and a licence to use the contents of the disc. That licence is restrictive and restricts my rights more than law. Thus, I am not allowed to extract a short extract to use in an educational setting (fair dealings; fair use). Packaging and marketing of DVD / Blura…

Exactly, this is the main problem I have with the people who claim in comment sections across the internet that since I'm only paying for a license to play the content, I can't complain about owning it. Nowhere on the iTunes store does it say, "Click here to purchase license to play video". Not on Amazon or Google Play either. This is just a case of false advertising by content producers and distributors. If they can…

You acknowledged that you were aware of these facts when you read the EULA (you did read it, right?) at some point in the past when installing or updating iTunes (or whatever other service). I know it's ridiculous but that's how it works, make sure to show a 50+ page 'you basically have no rights' notice that you have to 'agree', and you can strip whatever privileges you like from your paying customers.

Re: Why Rosyna Can't Take a Movie Screenshot

#83

Just a note on the discourse: the point "I own it, I should be able to use it the way I want" feels like not really effective (as a rhetoric) in many part of the western world and in many social circles. I really feel for example in France it would be easily brushed off using analogy to construction permits or driver licenses, or just put the person in some crazy-libertarian box ("the kind that want to print firearms…

> the point "I own it, I should be able to use it the way I want" feels like not really effective (as a rhetoric) in many part of the western world and in many social circles. I really feel for example in France

I really think that's a complete strawman. People in France (or Europe in general) very much feel like "this is my computer, I use it any way I want". Personally I think even more so than Americans, because usually consumer protection from corporate scheming is better in Europe.

BTW libertarians would be a-ok with corporations defining how your computer works, that's entrepreneurial freedom, after all.

Re: Why Rosyna Can't Take a Movie Screenshot

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is truly the sad part of DRM: the people that actually pay for content are the ones whose experience is most degraded. Pirates don't have to buy monitors with HDCP. Pirates can watch their collection when the authorization servers are down. Pirates can back up their media. Pirates can take screenshots. (Though I've never had this particular problem even with "DRM'd" media on Linux.) The list goes on. The co…

The most egregious: Pirates can skip the FBI warning and previews. We got a portable DVD player to add to our arsenal of distractions for our toddlers on long road trips. One of the DVDs we purchased—an Elmo sing-along—prohibits the viewer from skipping the five-minute donation plea that plays before the menu. This is especially frustrating because the kids will inevitably bump something requiring playback to be rest…

Do what I did for a few friends, rip them and edit them to remove that crap.

Re: Why Rosyna Can't Take a Movie Screenshot

#86
post #51

I don't know much about HDMI, but couldn't I just run the video/movie in fullscreen and then capture the output from the HDMI and save the raw output to a disk?

Yes, HDCP has been broken for a long time and even if it wasn't, you could still capture the LVDS signal that drives the LCD panel itself. But the problem is that those are very high-speed signals(1920x1080 24bpp at 60FPS is around 350MB/s+) that require suitable hardware to capture, basically uncompressed video, and recompression would introduce more artifacts than the original. That's why pirates don't usually go t…

I always assumed most movies were ripped using exploits at various points in the playback software stack? At some point the unencrypted bitstream needs to be available to decode, if you hacked the player or GPU driver code to dump it at that point, it would be possible to re-assemble it into an unencrypted video file, right? You would use a computer without any of the DRM features the article is about of course.

Re: Why Rosyna Can't Take a Movie Screenshot

#88
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Intel's just using Hollywood's fear of piracy" DRM has very little to do with piracy. Hollywood know perfectly well that DRM will not stop a determined pirate and a movie only has to be ripped once to be pirated indefinitely. It's about control. It's about the studios always having a seat at the bargaining table when new products/devices are being floated. They fear becoming a commodity supplier.

>Hollywood know perfectly well that DRM will not stop a determined pirate and a movie only has to be ripped once to be pirated indefinitely. You know, I'm really not convinced they do. Everything I see from these people leads me to think they literally think this stuff is magic , and they want the snake oil so badly they'll believe the people selling it over the people telling them the disappointing truth, every time…

There's also a legal component of control. More DRM means more identifiers for content creators, distributors, consumers, including open-source Firefox that will support HTML5 DRM.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2014/10/new-tpp-leak-canada-emerg..., ".. shows Canada as the strongest opponent to TPP IP demands, signalling its opposition to a proposal 56 times, more than any other country. The strongest opposition comes in the patents, enforcement, trademarks, and copyright sections.

.. the U.S. wants Canada to eviscerate many of the recent reforms found in copyright and counterfeiting legislation along with court rulings on patent protection. These demands focus on enhanced criminal liability for copyright infringement .."

Re: Why Rosyna Can't Take a Movie Screenshot

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious why VLC/screenshot doesn't work on Mac?

It certainly does work -- I use it frequently. The VLC snapshot tool works perfectly, and the system screen shot (cmd-shift-3/4) works too, at least on the H264 video I just tested with. Not sure what the issue could be.

I have seen GPU acceleration cause problems with VLC taking screenshots before, the problem doesnt have anything to do with the video format as far as I remember, but with video drivers, updating those solved the issues.

Re: Why Rosyna Can't Take a Movie Screenshot

#90
post #16
post #4

Are chips with this feature sold in consumer devices? I'm planning to buy a new computer soon. How can I avoid or boycott the chips in question? Or can the feature be definitively disabled through the BIOS? If I buy a computer, then I want to own it completely and not have arbitrary DRM bullshit remove capabilities. If I wish to take a screenshot of copyright content and share it with friends (fair use), then I shoul…

All Intel chips since 2010 or so have the management engine. There's a reason why the "reclaim your freedom" notebook is still a Lenovo X60. Some of them come with larger firmware (5MB, making up vPro and AMT), others with the smaller one (1.5MB) that merely does the DRM stuff, but all of them have the full hardware access detailled in the article. AMD is clean on the chipset side until kaveri/kabini. After that, the…

Do you have an opinion on this project: https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop ?

It's a laptop designed to be free software and it's using coreboot.

Post reply on HN