Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak • Hacker News Board

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by axotty » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:41 AM UTC

corndoge wrote: post #115

axotty wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely clicked and read the entire article only because I thought it was written by Woz. I agree, it is link-baity and misleading. EDIT: Holy down votes. Don't know what to say. I thought it was Woz, sosume. All I did was agree with the less-downvoted parent. EDIT 2: Hive mind crit axotty for 9999.

About 50 pixels to the left of the title is "Geoff Wozniak"...furthermore, I don't think it's fair to disparage people with names that happen to be shared by celebrities.

I was on Safari on iOS, it didn't appear until the end of the article.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by bby » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:42 AM UTC

I only cared about this because I thought it was the real Woz. It's not. I suddenly don't care about this random dude Geoff thinks. Come at me.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by elberto34 » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:42 AM UTC

Just trying to get itunes to work on a PC was enough to make me swear off Apple products . Like windows 8, too much clutter and other annoynces

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by JohnBooty » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:42 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #72

ggreer wrote: post #11

It's important to notice that he's switching to a desktop running linux. Running linux on laptops is still a gamble. Sometimes things work great. Sometimes you spend months trying to fix basic stuff like screen brightness[1][2] on hardware certified by Ubuntu.[3] I think there's a market for a linux distro that targets a limited set of premium hardware. I'd gladly pay money for an OS that worked out of the box on any…

I've been running linux on a variety of laptops for 15+ years without any issues that were outside my comfort level. If you are looking for a locked-down consumer appliance of a computer then linux really isn't for you. That's really the most extraordinary part of the whole movement. 20 years into it it's become mainstream on phones, set top boxes, and embedded devices everywhere but it hasn't also necessarily become…

This is all true and I love it on a theoretical level.

But I write code for a living and I really can't justify ever having my laptop out of commission because of hardware/OS issues.

"Hey, boss. I'm not going to have my work done today because I installed an $DISTRO update and now my laptop is having driver issues."

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by mkawia » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:43 AM UTC

Is there a faster file search than in linux in the latest FileBrowser(gnome/nautilus) . It's crazy fast ,no indexing and finds files in huge hard disks in seconds .

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by JohnBooty » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:44 AM UTC

iwince wrote: post #111

sytse wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried Ubuntu on a Dell XPS 13, certified for 12.04. It was acceptable, resume didn't work. But Webex doesn't work and GitLab BV customers use it, so I bought a MPB yesterday.

>> resume didn't work I still sometimes have to use Windows for work and resume/hibernate works about half the time. The other half I have to power reset it. That's with HP, Dell and Lennovo running Windows 7. FYI: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/sleep-and-hibern... I'm guessing here but I bet the picture for sleep/hibernate ain't all rosy for Macs either.

  > the picture for sleep/hibernate ain't all rosy for Macs either.

I tried and failed to think of a non-smug way to put this but... it is rosy, actually.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by aurelius » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:45 AM UTC

See, children! This is what happens when you become less concerned about getting stuff done and accomplishing something great, and more concerned about fiddling with knobs and dials, and tweaking your environment to be "just right".

What a waste of time. Geoff Wozniak deserves to live in desktop misery until he pulls his head out of his ass and starts caring more about getting actual work done.

Take heed, babes of HN!

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by aaron-lebo » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:45 AM UTC

mattkrea wrote: post #44

tekacs wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... unfortunately the state of Linux on laptops makes the all-too-common case of _repurposing_ a laptop incredibly painful. :/ ... unless you think ahead and only buy (and recommend) Thinkpads.

Very specific Chromebooks fit the bill as well. One that works particularly well is the Acer C720. Edit: wanted to clarify that this C720 is my current personal portable. My other is a custom built desktop also running Ubuntu.

What distro are you running on the c720? Getting arch to run required loading up modified kernels, none of which ever worked and I just gave up.

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by brandonmenc » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:47 AM UTC

balladeer wrote: post #97

mattkrea wrote: post #49

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While I wholly agree I'm curious to see your reasoning Edit: wholly agree with OSX not wiping the floor with Linux

Please notice original parent commenter @brandonmenc didn't provide any reasoning either. (S)he just proclaimed "OSX can wipe the floor with Linux" and left it at that as a declaration.

> little inconveniences of Linux on a laptop just weren't worth the trouble

Specifically: sleep/restore, display brightness control, sound, battery life, wifi, fonts, endless desktop tweaking. ymmv, but this stuff has just never been optimal out of the box.

When I say "wipe the floor," I mean in regards to time wasted (measurable) and appearance (subjective).

Re: Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

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Post by revscat » Sun, Jan 04, 2015, 3:47 AM UTC

I don't get this.

I currently own three Macs: an early-2013 MBP (personal), a mid-2014 MBP (work), and a 2010 Mac Mini. All three are running Yosemite and all three work as flawlessly as can be expected. Which is to say: I have not experienced a single one of the issues that OP has described here.

> The iOS-like GUI and "features" such as Launchpad didn't resonate with me.

Then don't use it Launchpad. I'm pretty sure I have never used Launchpad, except maybe once to see what it was, and it has neither gotten in my way nor caused any issues. I have to admit that I'm puzzled why so many people are so vocal in their complaints about it. If you don't like it remove it from the Dock and forget about it.

> I spent a lot of time going through the System Preferences, figuring out what I had to turn off in order to get my sanity back.

He links here to a Wikipedia page about Notification Center, the implication being that it's a pain. Any device is going to have default settings you don't personally care for. That's why they are preferences.

> Messages in 10.10 is a complete shitshow. It's a stunning regression. I gave up on it shortly after Yosemite was installed. The content was frequently out-of-order, mislabeled as new, and the conversation usually unparsable.

I have not experienced this even once, let alone so frequently as to make Messages unusable.

> There are lots of other little things that irk me: mds being a hog, distnoted being a hog, lack of virtualization, other system services mysteriously firing up, bogging the system down.

I ran into the distnoted issue on Mavericks, but it turned out to be a bug in emacs[1]. Once that fixed both disnoted and the cmd-tab problem were fixed. Other than that, thought, neither mds nor any other process has caused me any issues, ever.

> It doesn't help that the Macbook Pro I have is one of those lemons that overheats easily, thus kicking the fans into "rocket taking off" mode.

Oh. So there is defective hardware in the equation, but he's blaming the operating system. Ok then.

[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/gnu.emacs.bug/s47kTT...