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Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by blowski »

ovi256 wrote: post #63
bicknergseng wrote: post #49

>>But I think the most sensible way forward would be to synthesize this effect with drugs. I'm no naturopath, but something about this attitude really bugs me. I know in context he was cautioning against jumping to conclusions, but if there was a safe, low barrier to entry, non-drug way of achieving an effect, why would you encourage people to take a drug instead?

Fasting for three days is not a safe, low barrier to entry, way. A healthy person with no critical commitments or delicate work can do it safely, but lots of people would not. Note that one side effect observed during the protocol was fainting.

And also because drugs companies can't make money out of a non-drug solution.

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by DanBC »

disputin wrote: post #51
themodelplumber wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Mormon, too, and just wanted to point out a couple of things: > we fast for 2 meals on the first Sunday of every month. Not everyone does (pregnant or nursing women, or the sick, for example (edit: or people who just don't wanna)), and not everyone fasts for that period of time. Some people in different roles in the church (what non-Mormons might call a prophetic / visionary role) are encouraged to fast more of…

"what non-Mormons might call a prophetic / visionary role" Isn't that the other way round? As a non-mormon I'm not about to call anyone prophetic/visionary.

That sentence is telling you what they call themselves in language that you understand, not what you would call them.

Religions use a bunch of jargon. "Prophetic role" is descriptive where their particular jargon word is not.

Edit: you might refer to Bob: "Bob, the one who calls himself a prophet".

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by con-templative »

reasonattlm wrote: post #32

Better publicity materials: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-06/uosc-fts06021... The paper: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.stem.2014.04.014 Really it's just not worth even reading whatever the popular press has to say about a particular strand of research, especially when lines like "regenerate the entire immune system" are thrown around. No, no, no. Not what is happening: read the paper or even just the publ…

> Really it's just not worth even reading whatever the popular press has to say about a particular strand of research, especially when lines like "regenerate the entire immune system" are thrown around.

To look at it from the opposite perspective, here's a helpful guide for scientists on how to get a health study into the UK news: http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/12December/Pages/your-guide-to-h...

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by halflings »

anindyabd wrote: post #54
atoponce wrote: post #21

I recognize this as completely empirical evidence, so take it as that. I am a Mormon. As part of our religious observance, we fast for 2 meals on the first Sunday of every month. Also, I have fasted for the entire duration of the Muslim month of Ramadan twice now. For Mormons, food and drink is abstained starting Saturday night after dinner until Sunday night's dinner. By the time dinner rolls around Sunday night, I…

I am not Muslim, but I was born and raised in a Muslim country, and almost all my friends are Muslim. As you note, in the month of Ramadan, Muslims fast from dawn to dusk. Right before dawn, they eat seheri , and after dusk, they eat iftaar . During the month of Ramadan, no one seems to lose any weight, mainly because everyone seems to overcompensate during iftaar. Where I come from iftaar food is much oilier and ric…

Yes, unfortunately in many Arab/Asian countries people over-indulge at Iftar time. It seems less of an issue for "converts" of different origins = more of a cultural thing, as Muhammad -saws- encouraged people to eat and drink moderately, and certainly not over-indulge in a month like Ramadan.

Some people, including me, avoid this though. When I was obese (for different reasons), I used to lose 3 or 4 kilograms each Ramadan, but failed to sustain that once the month was over because of my previously terrible lifestyle. My mother also gets leaner during Ramadan because she prepares her own healthy Iftar (mostly Harira, a Moroccan soup, some figs, whole-grains bread and other "sane" alternatives to oily/sugary food)

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by DanBC »

con-templative wrote: post #73
reasonattlm wrote: post #32

Better publicity materials: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-06/uosc-fts06021... The paper: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.stem.2014.04.014 Really it's just not worth even reading whatever the popular press has to say about a particular strand of research, especially when lines like "regenerate the entire immune system" are thrown around. No, no, no. Not what is happening: read the paper or even just the publ…

> Really it's just not worth even reading whatever the popular press has to say about a particular strand of research, especially when lines like "regenerate the entire immune system" are thrown around. To look at it from the opposite perspective, here's a helpful guide for scientists on how to get a health study into the UK news: http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/12December/Pages/your-guide-to-h...

I love the NHS (UK National Health Service) information "Behind the Headlines" site that your link comes from.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/Pages/NewsIndex.aspx

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by blazespin »

bicknergseng wrote: post #49

>>But I think the most sensible way forward would be to synthesize this effect with drugs. I'm no naturopath, but something about this attitude really bugs me. I know in context he was cautioning against jumping to conclusions, but if there was a safe, low barrier to entry, non-drug way of achieving an effect, why would you encourage people to take a drug instead?

Low barrier ? How often have you fasted for the days?

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by con-templative »

DanBC wrote: post #75
con-templative wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Really it's just not worth even reading whatever the popular press has to say about a particular strand of research, especially when lines like "regenerate the entire immune system" are thrown around. To look at it from the opposite perspective, here's a helpful guide for scientists on how to get a health study into the UK news: http://www.nhs.uk/news/2014/12December/Pages/your-guide-to-h...

I love the NHS (UK National Health Service) information "Behind the Headlines" site that your link comes from. http://www.nhs.uk/news/Pages/NewsIndex.aspx

Amen. I imagine they'll have a post on the Telegraph article in a week or so.

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by lawlesst »

Dr. Valter Longo, who was an author of this study, was on the Diane Rehm Show in January of 2014 with others discussing the benefits of fasting. All the panelists endorse fasting to some extent but it was a lively discussion that summarizes some his research as well as related research that advocates for shorter fasting periods.

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014-01-09/latest-research...

Re: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system (2014)

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Post by branchless »

reasonattlm wrote: post #32

Better publicity materials: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-06/uosc-fts06021... The paper: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.stem.2014.04.014 Really it's just not worth even reading whatever the popular press has to say about a particular strand of research, especially when lines like "regenerate the entire immune system" are thrown around. No, no, no. Not what is happening: read the paper or even just the publ…

Daily Telegraph is on it's last legs. It's going to die soon (thank god). Surprised to see articles posted here from it. Most of the reddit UK sites don't bother with them.
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