Does anyone have idea if the idiocy of integrating the IE browser so deep inside the os is finally solved, that version updates are possible? And will spartan be stand alone binary, like IE should have been at launch?
I don't have a good understanding of the history of IE but thought it was embedded as a way of breaking Netscape - if that was ever true the time has obviously passed for it to remain deeply embedded. However if this was the reason, isn't that a good argument for the way MS constructed IE (which isn't to say I agree with the strategy)?
A new Microsoft browser?
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Re: A new Microsoft browser?
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Sorry, I didn't provide details because I probably just assume everyone here is a JS developer, which is probably a bad idea. IE11 has no CustomEvent constructor. You have to polyfill it with https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/API/CustomEvent . Microsoft's official Twitter account @iedevchat has pointed people to the same one: note the article article says for IE10, but the issue and fix is required for IE11.…
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Re: A new Microsoft browser?
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Yeah, the first paragraph summarized the entire article, which is incredibly respectful of the reader's time. Presumably many sites intentionally leave this out in order to maximize revenue and "engagement."
It would save more time and avoid the appearance of impropriety if they declared their Microsoft sponsorship in the second paragraph, rather than after the article. Edit: if it's unclear, this is not accusing anyone of bias: good writing should make any involvement in the subject matter explicit. See http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_of_impropriety The article is sponsored by modern.ie which is a Microsoft in…
Re: A new Microsoft browser?
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would save more time and avoid the appearance of impropriety if they declared their Microsoft sponsorship in the second paragraph, rather than after the article. Edit: if it's unclear, this is not accusing anyone of bias: good writing should make any involvement in the subject matter explicit. See http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_of_impropriety The article is sponsored by modern.ie which is a Microsoft in…
No, it would just waste everyone's time. Why would you intentionally want to preface the meat of an article with disclaimers like that, especially if (as you say) the disclaimers wouldn't actually affect your interpretation of the article? That's pretty much the definition of cruft.
Re: A new Microsoft browser?
#85One of the things I really want to see is both IE and Safari move to the six weekly update cycle that Firefox and Chrome are using. IE still has a major slice of the browser market share and this probably ain't going to change soon. IE>9 have all been decent browsers for the time that they were released, although they do seem a bit out of date 6 months later. At the moment, if both Firefox and Chrome implement a new…
Whereas I would really like IE not to do that, and ideally Firefox and Chrome to move to longer cycles (minimum 6 months, preferably annual) for their main public releases.
One good reason for this is that there is no point in having browsers support new features within moments of someone conceiving them unless developers are also keeping up with new developments at the same pace. Take three major browsers on a six-weekly cycle and you literally need to be updating your skill set every two weeks and have projects to work on where those new skills are actually useful. Unless all you do is write trendy web development blogs for a living, you are not likely to be in this category.
Another good reason is that both Firefox and Chrome have horrible records for quality since going to six-weekly release cycles, both in terms of bugs/regressions and because they frequently implement new features that tick boxes but have such poor quality of implementation that they aren't actually useful for production work anyway. For example, right now, both Firefox and Chrome have numerous glitches and performance problems in popular HTML/CSS features like animations, web fonts, multimedia elements, and SVG, to the extent that you can't reliably assume even relatively simple applications will work without extensive and ongoing testing.
Recent versions of IE stand in sharp contrast to that pattern, and as such I think IE now provides both a valuable brake on the industry and a demonstration that having a solid, fast implementation of some features is far more useful in practice than having unreliable and/or slow implementations of more features.
(Edit: It's disappointing to see multiple downvotes yet no responses. This happens all too often when I express the unpopular-but-based-on-hard-data view that Firefox and Chrome are often slow and/or buggy when it comes to new features, even though numerous articles and blog posts giving specific examples in the areas I mentioned are yours to read for the price of a Google search.)
Re: A new Microsoft browser?
#86Re: A new Microsoft browser?
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There are definitely supported APIs for extending IE (starting with IE 4.0 in 1997), but you do have to write native or .NET code, it's not "hack together some javascript and CSS" like Chrome/Safari/Firefox. First couple of Google results: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa744101(v=vs.85).as... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5643819/developing-intern...
Why " write native or .NET" but " hack together some javascript and CSS"?
Or possibly because the API's microsoft proposes are pretty horrible; I've worked on FF and chrome extensions, and I investigated IE support - but IE's extension model is truly terrible. Just take a look at that stackoverflow link you posted. What a mess. I wouldn't mind a clean C++ or .NET api, but the current API certainly isn't that.
Re: A new Microsoft browser?
#88Does anyone have idea if the idiocy of integrating the IE browser so deep inside the os is finally solved, that version updates are possible? And will spartan be stand alone binary, like IE should have been at launch?
The whole browser choice lawsuit business was strange; it was far from the worst bit of anti-competitive behaviour, and has been superceded by closed platforms on phones. The "halloween" documents and funding of SCO were more objectionable to me.
Re: A new Microsoft browser?
#89It's a good idea to create a new browser that updates automatically every few weeks like chrome rather than IE, which normally can't update automatically because of corporate policies.
If IE is there primarily to access the corporate intranet and other work-related sites, as usually seems to be the case in this kind of environment, then that stability is a feature, not a bug.
The last thing you need as a sysadmin for an organisation with thousands of members is someone who thinks they know better "upgrading" their browser to a new version that no longer works properly with critical business sites/apps, has unknown or at least untested-by-IT security issues that therefore may or may not require mitigation at corporate tooling level, and so on. This is particularly true if, as almost invariably seems to be the case, that individual won't be the person who takes the flak when something breaks, violates regulatory compliance, creates a security problem, etc.
I doubt there is a single organisation anywhere in the world that has IE locked down at corporate level, yet where any legitimate business purpose would be better served by having browser software updated every few weeks.
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ActiveX isn't a major concern, in current IE if you look in the security tab in the Internet context, it is pretty locked down and damn near depreciated. Intranet is more liberal. But a lot of enterprises add their internal portals to the trusted list if they still depend on ActiveX (as a depressingly large number do). Chrome and Firefox's extensions are better. Although Firefox's extension model is a little clunky d…
If Microsoft kills ActiveX in the new browser, it will force everyone to stop depending on ActiveX. You would be very surprised how many websites outside of the U.S. still depend on ActiveX, and these are critical websites like banking and government. Hence, killing ActiveX support is important to me.