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Re: A new Microsoft browser?

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Post by demallien »

nailer wrote: post #68
matthewmacleod wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really helpful. IE is no longer a shitty browser; why should it be killed off?

It really is. Even in IE11 there's a bunch of busted basics. The CustomEvent constructor is broken out of the box. Edit: see details in post below.

I don't mean this to be a personal attack, so please don't take it that way, but comments like this read to me as being written by a young, inexperienced programmer. I happen to know that this is not your case, but without checking the username, I would immediately classify this comment as such.

The people over at Microsoft are not idiots - even though Microsoft is no longer the new hotness, they still pay developers well, and have some pretty tight engineering going on. So when you say "The Event constructor is broken out of the box", my first instinct is to assume that the Microsoft engineers have implemented the constructor in their way for reasons that you're not smart enough to have grasped.

But, as I said, I know that you aren't a young inexperienced programmer, so you probably have some good reasons to make the claim, which leads me to the point of this rambling post - why is the Event constructor broken in IE? I'm curious to know what specific problems you have with it.

Re: A new Microsoft browser?

#72

Post by cmiller1 »

thomasfoster96 wrote: post #60

One of the things I really want to see is both IE and Safari move to the six weekly update cycle that Firefox and Chrome are using. IE still has a major slice of the browser market share and this probably ain't going to change soon. IE>9 have all been decent browsers for the time that they were released, although they do seem a bit out of date 6 months later. At the moment, if both Firefox and Chrome implement a new…

What about Safari's Webkit nightly releases?

Re: A new Microsoft browser?

#73

Post by bobbykjack »

kalleboo wrote: post #67
MichaelGG wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right but as I understand, it uses some binary hacking/undocumented APIs to go about it's job. I also use Vimperator, various tracking blockers, search redirectors (disconnect me for Google search), etc.

There are definitely supported APIs for extending IE (starting with IE 4.0 in 1997), but you do have to write native or .NET code, it's not "hack together some javascript and CSS" like Chrome/Safari/Firefox. First couple of Google results: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa744101(v=vs.85).as... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5643819/developing-intern...

Why "write native or .NET" but "hack together some javascript and CSS"?

Re: A new Microsoft browser?

#74

Post by nailer »

demallien wrote: post #71
nailer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is. Even in IE11 there's a bunch of busted basics. The CustomEvent constructor is broken out of the box. Edit: see details in post below.

I don't mean this to be a personal attack, so please don't take it that way, but comments like this read to me as being written by a young, inexperienced programmer. I happen to know that this is not your case, but without checking the username, I would immediately classify this comment as such. The people over at Microsoft are not idiots - even though Microsoft is no longer the new hotness, they still pay developers…

Sorry, I didn't provide details because I probably just assume everyone here is a JS developer, which is probably a bad idea.

IE11 has no CustomEvent constructor. You have to polyfill it with https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/API/CustomEvent. Microsoft's official Twitter account @iedevchat has pointed people to the same one: note the article article says for IE10, but the issue and fix is required for IE11.

It's a simple fix, but CustomEvent is ancient, and it's surprising what didn't make it into IE11.

Re: A new Microsoft browser?

#75

Post by bobbykjack »

TheSoftwareGuy wrote: post #19
joenathan wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google abandons projects swiftly when they think that don't make sense; Wave, iGoogle, Reader, Glass?, Buzz, Plus?, Answers, Google Video, Google Checkout/Wallet, Orkut, Picasa, Gears, etc... When you are a large company you need to focus your resources into areas where you can be effective and not stretch yourself too thin.

Did I miss something? When did Google give up on glass?

Since Sergey stopped wearing it [1].

[1] http://beta.techradar.com/news/portable-devices/other-device...

Re: A new Microsoft browser?

#76

Post by thomasfoster96 »

cmiller1 wrote: post #72
thomasfoster96 wrote: post #60

One of the things I really want to see is both IE and Safari move to the six weekly update cycle that Firefox and Chrome are using. IE still has a major slice of the browser market share and this probably ain't going to change soon. IE>9 have all been decent browsers for the time that they were released, although they do seem a bit out of date 6 months later. At the moment, if both Firefox and Chrome implement a new…

What about Safari's Webkit nightly releases?

They're not exactly for Joe Bloke the Safari user.

Re: A new Microsoft browser?

#77

Post by rgbrenner »

bztzt wrote: post #46
ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, Bing and Windows Phone are still going but Bing is losing $3 billion a year, and Windows phone is losing market share despite sales increasing. It's only a matter of time before their plugs are pulled.

Bing isn't losing money anymore, they're finally breaking even as of last year.

Where did you hear that? This is from June 2014 [0]:

Unfortunately Microsoft does not break out its Bing revenue separately (and a Microsoft spokesperson referred us back to the earnings release when asked) so exactly how much Bing rakes in is anyone's guess, but the company did note Bing managed a 40% ad revenue increase in its recent fourth quarter ended June. CEO Satya Nadella, one-time leader of the division, also noted Bing would reach breakeven within two years.

So Nadella thinks it'll break even in 2016.

0. http://www.thestreet.com/story/12821420/1/microsoft-is-using...

Re: A new Microsoft browser?

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Post by gldalmaso »

junto wrote: post #56
brickmort wrote: post #44

I don't mean to be so disparaging, but Microsoft really should just take IE out back and shoot it.

Any competition is good competition, no matter what the quality is. Or do you want a single monopolistic choice of Chrome to rule the world? Sorry, bit we've been there before. Embrace the variety.

Variety is good but Microsoft has an ugly history with standards and that is very hurtful to the ecosystem.

They promised that they have changed in regards to that, but those are just words in the wind, time will tell on that. Also, they were lagging behind HTML5 standards for a long time, then they sort of caught up, now they are lagging behind on ECMAScript 6 features.

Every time I check, it is Microsoft's fault that I still can't use an otherwise widely implemented feature.

Quality implementation and standards adoption is the name of the game in the browser market. After 10+ years in that market, my opinion is that they have neither. The only reason they are still playing is end-user and corporate inertia.

Re: A new Microsoft browser?

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Post by [deleted] »

nailer wrote: post #74
demallien wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean this to be a personal attack, so please don't take it that way, but comments like this read to me as being written by a young, inexperienced programmer. I happen to know that this is not your case, but without checking the username, I would immediately classify this comment as such. The people over at Microsoft are not idiots - even though Microsoft is no longer the new hotness, they still pay developers…

Sorry, I didn't provide details because I probably just assume everyone here is a JS developer, which is probably a bad idea. IE11 has no CustomEvent constructor. You have to polyfill it with https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/API/CustomEvent . Microsoft's official Twitter account @iedevchat has pointed people to the same one: note the article article says for IE10, but the issue and fix is required for IE11.…

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Re: A new Microsoft browser?

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Post by Flow »

cmiller1 wrote: post #72
thomasfoster96 wrote: post #60

One of the things I really want to see is both IE and Safari move to the six weekly update cycle that Firefox and Chrome are using. IE still has a major slice of the browser market share and this probably ain't going to change soon. IE>9 have all been decent browsers for the time that they were released, although they do seem a bit out of date 6 months later. At the moment, if both Firefox and Chrome implement a new…

What about Safari's Webkit nightly releases?

AFAIK, it has no iCloud integration.
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