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Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Post by possibilistic »

bigbugbag wrote: post #288
chernevik wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure everything is happening very fast right now, but I hope you arrive at a policy more carefully drawn than this. All terrorists suck, and they haven't any right to use services like yours to coordinate hurting other people. Nor does anyone have the right to incite violence. But people do have a right to political opinions, and some such might be interpreted as "remotely pro terrorist", without actually being c…

> All terrorists suck Being the descendant in a family that was host of several terrorists, I have to disagree with you. See once the war was over and nazi germany got booted out, all those terrorists in my family instantly turned into resistance heroes. Turns out those terrorists in my family were just ordinary people who got into this for reason as simple as having a bike allowing them to move around and relay mess…

Terrorist can be a loaded word in a political context. We have terms like "freedom fighter", " revolutionary", and "rebel", but these don't quite have neural connotations either.

"Insurgent" is used by the media quite frequently, but pundits have twisted this word into little more than an alias for "terrorist". My brain subconsciously makes this mapping despite my knowledge of a contrary meaning; I think maybe language is too pliable in politics.

Maybe we need yet new language to escape the difficulty of communicating without biases inherent in the vocabulary (our minds already do enough to short-circuit logic already without the English language making the matter worse). "Terrorism" and "unrest" are at such a forefront in the global consciousness that the whole subject is deserving of the few extra mental bytes that would be needed to disambiguate the mess.

If I were in charge of such a task, I would try to borrow words associated with certain well-known historical anecdotes in a hope that the pundits wouldn't simply redefine the words from under us. Hopefully such vocabulary would have enough of a semantic anchor in our generation to dispel such attempts, conscious or not.

To press on the issue further, it seems like it would be wise to engineer our language in a way that leads to better thinking. I suppose that would be too artificial to ever be accepted though.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#292

Post by peterfirefly »

okpatil wrote: post #80
brlewis wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Post the offending content as a comment somewhere on the Indian government's own web site. They'll block themselves. Problem solved.

Being an Indian, I wish that this was true.

Would it be better if India was broken up into much smaller states, possibly more or less along the current internal borders? Is India really seen as a country by the Indians or is it seen more like a bunch of unwanted outside overlords ruling over your local part of India, whichever that might be?

I'm asking partly because I live in the EU where we are explicitly trying to create a big, state-like construction for most of our continent. In most cases I feel mostly like a "Dane" or "Scandinavian" or "Northern European" but in some cases I am actually starting to feel like an EU citizen, like we are all in it together, for example regarding Russia's behaviour in the Ukraine and elsewhere.

It is probably not correct to call the EU a country or a state yet but we are getting closer. On the other hand, if the Republic of India is actually a country then the European Union is too, isn't it?

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#293

Post by peterfirefly »

IndianAstronaut wrote: post #118
jusben1369 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume this is a play on the "Thanks Obama!" meme/joke in the US?

Yes. Modi is coming into office with the same enthusiasm behind him that Obama had. 6 months in and Modi is already disappointing.

But isn't a win to Modi precisely what is needed to get the Congress Party to behave better?

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#294

Post by phit_ »

aselzer wrote: post #18

This one is interesting: http://sourceforge.net/projects/phorkie/ According to the list it has been specifically blocked. It appears to be a pastebin clone written in PHP. Almost all of them are pastebin-like sites. http://atnsoft.com/atnsoft.com/textpaster/ seems very unrelated. My assumption would have been that a government crawler stumbled upon some messages it didn't like and the sites they were on ended up on t…

It is actually related, this software allows you to fill out webforms automatically. Now these bans are mostly around websites that allow you to host text online and this tool helps easily getting your text on tons of websites. So I see why this is related.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#295

Post by chernevik »

bigbugbag wrote: post #288
chernevik wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure everything is happening very fast right now, but I hope you arrive at a policy more carefully drawn than this. All terrorists suck, and they haven't any right to use services like yours to coordinate hurting other people. Nor does anyone have the right to incite violence. But people do have a right to political opinions, and some such might be interpreted as "remotely pro terrorist", without actually being c…

> All terrorists suck Being the descendant in a family that was host of several terrorists, I have to disagree with you. See once the war was over and nazi germany got booted out, all those terrorists in my family instantly turned into resistance heroes. Turns out those terrorists in my family were just ordinary people who got into this for reason as simple as having a bike allowing them to move around and relay mess…

I doubt anyone resisting Nazi invasion killed any innocent people. What would be the point? The only innocents in their country would be their own countrymen, little point in killing them. Collaborators? Not innocent.

Terrorists _target_ innocent people to gain advantage through intimidation. That's wrong, everywhere and always.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#296

Post by tjbiddle »

sounds wrote: post #216
cryptbin wrote: post #55

I run Cryptbin.com, one of the sites on the banned list. As a result of the ban we have seen our traffic surge, with roughly a 1000% increase in traffic from India today alone. Interesting to note is that we also own the domain cryptb.in (a TLD from India) and that has not been banned. However, it is merely a redirect so it does not provide an alternative entrance to the site. We use it only for short URL's on public…

Perhaps you can use this thread to recruit an India-centric team and create a separate site at cryptb.in (not saying you have to but to quote Pirates: "if you were looking for the perfect moment... that was it")

Wouldn't even need a separate site - just update the redirect to point at the same load balancer as the main site instead, and then add a virtual host entry.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

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Post by Achshar »

rajbot wrote: post #245

I am trying to find out if archive.org is still being blocked or not, as we are hearing conflicting reports from users. I queried the Indian DNS servers on this list that are marked 'valid' or 'new': http://public-dns.tk/nameserver/in.html Only one of them (182.59.1.235, operated by MTNL ISP) returned the fake IP being used for blocked sites (59.185.3.14). The other 1843 servers returned the correct IP. I am trying t…

Well here's another data point, BSNL in Punjab still not loading archive.org.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#298

Post by palunon »

chernevik wrote: post #295
bigbugbag wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All terrorists suck Being the descendant in a family that was host of several terrorists, I have to disagree with you. See once the war was over and nazi germany got booted out, all those terrorists in my family instantly turned into resistance heroes. Turns out those terrorists in my family were just ordinary people who got into this for reason as simple as having a bike allowing them to move around and relay mess…

I doubt anyone resisting Nazi invasion killed any innocent people. What would be the point? The only innocents in their country would be their own countrymen, little point in killing them. Collaborators? Not innocent. Terrorists _target_ innocent people to gain advantage through intimidation. That's wrong, everywhere and always.

>Collaborators? Not innocent.

Not muslim/chiite/sunnite ? Not innocent.

Re: India Orders 32 Websites Blocked, Including GitHub, Archive.Org, Pastebin

#300

Post by meta-coder »

BSNL's DNS server replying with "SOA localhost. root.localhost." to all of the blocked domains (except sourceforge.net and atnsoft.com).

  # 218.248.255.211 is the default DNS server for BSNL DSL customers in Maharashtra, India
  $ date
  Thu Jan  1 20:21:02 IST 2015
  $ dig +nocmd +nostats +nocomments @218.248.255.211 -f blocked.txt
  ;justpaste.it.			IN	A
  justpaste.it.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;hastebin.com.			IN	A
  hastebin.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;codepad.org.			IN	A
  codepad.org.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;pastie.org.			IN	A
  pastie.org.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;pastee.org.			IN	A
  pastee.org.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;paste2.org.			IN	A
  paste2.org.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;slexy.org.			IN	A
  slexy.org.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;paste4btc.com.			IN	A
  paste4btc.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;0bin.net.			IN	A
  0bin.net.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.heypasteit.com.		IN	A
  heypasteit.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;sourceforge.net.		IN	A
  sourceforge.net.	154	IN	A	216.34.181.60
  sourceforge.net.	85923	IN	NS	ns4.p03.dynect.net.
  sourceforge.net.	85923	IN	NS	ns3.p03.dynect.net.
  sourceforge.net.	85923	IN	NS	ns1.p03.dynect.net.
  sourceforge.net.	85923	IN	NS	ns2.p03.dynect.net.
  ns1.p03.dynect.net.	85918	IN	A	208.78.70.3
  ns2.p03.dynect.net.	172323	IN	A	204.13.250.3
  ns3.p03.dynect.net.	85918	IN	A	208.78.71.3
  ns4.p03.dynect.net.	172323	IN	A	204.13.251.3
  ;atnsoft.com.			IN	A
  atnsoft.com.		14135	IN	A	192.185.225.228
  atnsoft.com.		86135	IN	NS	ns6616.hostgator.com.
  atnsoft.com.		86135	IN	NS	ns6615.hostgator.com.
  ns6615.hostgator.com.	172452	IN	A	192.185.225.220
  ns6616.hostgator.com.	172452	IN	A	192.185.225.221
  ;archive.org.			IN	A
  archive.org.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.hpage.com.			IN	A
  hpage.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.ipage.com.			IN	A
  ipage.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.webs.com.			IN	A
  webs.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.weebly.com.			IN	A
  weebly.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.000webhost.com.		IN	A
  000webhost.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.freehosting.com.		IN	A
  freehosting.com.	86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;vimeo.com.			IN	A
  vimeo.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.dailymotion.com.		IN	A
  dailymotion.com.	86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;pastebin.com.			IN	A
  pastebin.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;gist.github.com.		IN	A
  gist.github.com.	86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.ipaste.eu.			IN	A
  ipaste.eu.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;thesnippetapp.com.		IN	A
  thesnippetapp.com.	86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;snipt.net.			IN	A
  snipt.net.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;tny.cz.				IN	A
  tny.cz.			86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;github.com.			IN	A
  github.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;snipplr.com.			IN	A
  snipplr.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;termbin.com.			IN	A
  termbin.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;www.snippetsource.net.		IN	A
  snippetsource.net.	86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
  ;cryptbin.com.			IN	A
  cryptbin.com.		86400	IN	SOA	localhost. root.localhost. 1997022700 28800 14400 3600000 86400
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