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Tesla Is Working on Robotic Snakes That Emerge from the Wall to Charge Your Car

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Re: Tesla Is Working on Robotic Snakes That Emerge from the Wall to Charge Your Car

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They have been around for 20+ years. It's called a laptop Base station / Docking station. There on a fairly wide range of buissness laptops sadly that's one of the ports that Apple does not seem to support. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_station

The advantage of a solution like this is that you don't have to find the cable (or in the case of a docking station, the place to put the laptop), the cable finds you. So you could put your laptop down anywhere in the office, and in theory, a cord would eventually wind its way over to you to plug itself in.

In the end they both add convenience not functionality.

You still need to correctly park your car close to the device which is much like connecting a laptop to a docking station. The advantage is simply avoiding dealing with cords and other fiddly bits.

Now connect this with a self driving car and that would be similar to being able to leave your laptop in your bag when you get home.

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Someone could do this for regular laptop hookups eventually . e.g. Every morning at the office, I connect a power cable, monitor cables and a mouse.

Besides the power cable, I would think the rest would function well wirelessly with high frequency RF.

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Re: Tesla Is Working on Robotic Snakes That Emerge from the Wall to Charge Your Car

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This is neat tech, of course. I am not criticizing when I ask: Isn't this a solution without a problem? How hard is it to get out of the car and plug in the charge cord? Then there's the question of simple alternatives to a highly complex and potentially dangerous robotic solution. Think children in the garage. Without thinking too hard the first thing that comes to mind is something like the contact rods that electr…

...and with almost absolute predictability anything that even remotely challenges Musk/Tesla is down-voted on HN. This is a legitimate question. This robotic snake problem is solving a problem that does not exist. And, please, don't invoke the handicapped card as someone already did. They manage just fine today. Anyone, handicapped or not, who qualifies to drive a car can handle plugging a cord into a socket. A 7 yea…

Allowing the car to be charged with no human interaction in paramount to creating a system of driver-less cars. Imagine the car drops you off at work and then parks itself in a charging area a few blocks away where it can plug itself in. (this is just a theoretical example of course but I hope it demonstrates the value of a system like this).

Re: Tesla Is Working on Robotic Snakes That Emerge from the Wall to Charge Your Car

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They have been around for 20+ years. It's called a laptop Base station / Docking station. There on a fairly wide range of buissness laptops sadly that's one of the ports that Apple does not seem to support. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_station

I don't see this as in anyway analogous to a charging system that automatically locates a device.

This is not going to work if you park your car at a friends house. So really the advantage is simply not needing to deal with power connectors and other cables. Day to day a base station can probably save you more time. Consider 1 or more USB, 2 monitors, network cable, power supply, plus finding all the right cables which may fallen off your desk etc.

Re: Tesla Is Working on Robotic Snakes That Emerge from the Wall to Charge Your Car

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> How hard is it to get out of the car and plug in the charge cord? For the average person? Not very. For the self-driving Teslas of the future? Pretty hard. Same thing for disabled folks who might appreciate not having an additional step in getting out of the car.

> For the self-driving Teslas of the future? Pretty hard Care to explain that? How does a self-driving car make getting out of the car and plugging in a cord "pretty hard".

The car takes you and your kid to work/school, then goes to a charging depot or back home. Who's plugging it in?

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"like Metal Gear Solid or something". My man-crush on this guy is only getting worse (better?). Realistically though, why not just have some sort of hard-arm extend? why the flexibility of a snake? with a little bit of OCR and an arm that can extend in length and rotate on an axis, it seems like you could get pretty close

Because then you'd have to park inline with the charger? A "snake" would give you some leeway.

Having the car park inline with a charger is a much easier problem to solve than getting a charger to start from the ground and find it's way up to a car.

They could have the driver pull up into a generalized box/circle, and move the car forward automatically (polling with a laser (or OCR on the side of the charger) until it was in the perfect spot to be reachable.

If cars can parallel park themselves, I think they can manage pulling up a given amount of feet.

Also a little rotation on the car-facing end of the charger would help.

Re: Tesla Is Working on Robotic Snakes That Emerge from the Wall to Charge Your Car

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This is neat tech, of course. I am not criticizing when I ask: Isn't this a solution without a problem? How hard is it to get out of the car and plug in the charge cord? Then there's the question of simple alternatives to a highly complex and potentially dangerous robotic solution. Think children in the garage. Without thinking too hard the first thing that comes to mind is something like the contact rods that electr…

...and with almost absolute predictability anything that even remotely challenges Musk/Tesla is down-voted on HN. This is a legitimate question. This robotic snake problem is solving a problem that does not exist. And, please, don't invoke the handicapped card as someone already did. They manage just fine today. Anyone, handicapped or not, who qualifies to drive a car can handle plugging a cord into a socket. A 7 yea…

I think the reason you got downvoted is not that you criticized Musk, but the tone of your comment is inappropriate for this forum. Your comment reads as though it were written by a blowhard who is not only too certain of their own perspective, but also not interested in having a discussion to learn more.

Re: Tesla Is Working on Robotic Snakes That Emerge from the Wall to Charge Your Car

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> For the self-driving Teslas of the future? Pretty hard Care to explain that? How does a self-driving car make getting out of the car and plugging in a cord "pretty hard".

The car takes you and your kid to work/school, then goes to a charging depot or back home. Who's plugging it in?

That's ridiculous. You are reaching in a feeble attempt to win an argument supporting a senselessly complex solution.

OK. I'll play your game.

Charging depot:

Docking station that the car aligns with and drives up against or onto. Contacts come up, down, in out of either the car or the docking station.

It can be as simple as a very inexpensive device on the ground and a compliant wall (to allow for accidents) with alignment markers (high contrast cross, circle, whatever).

One might even be able to design it so that it is a drive through docking station with the car stopping in the middle during the charging process.

Or, how about the famed battery swap system.

Nearby charging station? Well, if cars have 300+ mile range and you charge at home there should be zero need for locating charging stations all over a city. And yet, it can be as simple as a cord in a parking lot at work. No robotics needed.

Return home:

Put simply. I, and I would guess this is true for most people, have exactly zero interest in my auto-drive car returning home, opening the garage and driving in to charge. Why? Well, more than one reason. Let's just say that bedroom communities would be prime for burglaries. All you have to do is wait for auto cars to let you in.

In both cases the whole idea of having your car drop you off and then go back home or to a distant charging station is simply ridiculous. I'll only mention two issues with this, but there are more.

First, you just doubled traffic and congestion. If every car is a self-driver and they all return home, you now created a mess of traffic as every car now has somewhere else to go rather than just being parked for the work day.

You don't have kids, do you? There is no way in the universe that I would leave my kids inside my self-driving car to be delivered to school. That, on the face of it, is also a ridiculous idea. It would be beyond irresponsible to leave kids in a car driving around town given that, well, shit happens.

Second, you are wasting HUGE amounts of energy driving cars around that simply do not need to drive around. The average commuter in the US travels 25 minutes to work. About 1.7 million travel 90 minutes or more each way. About 2.2 million travel 50 miles or more. You are talking about having self-driving cars effectively drive 50 miles to deliver a person, 50 miles back to park and charge, then 50 miles to go pick them up after work and 50 miles to return them home. In other words, you turned a 100 mile round trip into a 200 mile insanely and utterly pointless trip.

Seriously, please, try to reason a bit. If you are in the Tesla cargo cult club, fine, you win. You are right. A complex robot is the only sensible way to charge an electric car. On the other hand, if you are not a Tesla fan boy. THINK. A technologically simple docking station is BY A HUGE MARGIN a far more sensible idea. Please don't try to invent ridiculous scenarios to support an equally ridiculous idea. Sometimes ideas are bad. Nothing wrong with that.

You don't have to agree with me. Just give it 10 or 20 years and you'll see which approach succeeds in the market. Or none of them. After all, my initial point in this sub-thread is still valid: What the heck is wrong with a simple charge cord? Nothing.

Re: Tesla Is Working on Robotic Snakes That Emerge from the Wall to Charge Your Car

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The car takes you and your kid to work/school, then goes to a charging depot or back home. Who's plugging it in?

That's ridiculous. You are reaching in a feeble attempt to win an argument supporting a senselessly complex solution. OK. I'll play your game. Charging depot: Docking station that the car aligns with and drives up against or onto. Contacts come up, down, in out of either the car or the docking station. It can be as simple as a very inexpensive device on the ground and a compliant wall (to allow for accidents) with al…

> Docking station that the car aligns with and drives up against or onto. Contacts come up, down, in out of either the car or the docking station.

Contacts like the ones on the end of Musk's proposed robot arm, perhaps.

> Put simply. I, and I would guess this is true for most people, have exactly zero interest in my auto-drive car returning home, opening the garage and driving in to charge. Why? Well, more than one reason. Let's just say that bedroom communities would be prime for burglaries. All you have to do is wait for auto cars to let you in.

> First, you just doubled traffic and congestion. If every car is a self-driver and they all return home, you now created a mess of traffic as every car now has somewhere else to go rather than just being parked for the work day.

Frankly, I expect self-driving cars to change the model of car ownership for a lot of people. I hate owning a car. An Uber-style "I need a ride" solution would be much better for how I use cars, and self-driving + self-charging makes that possible.

> You don't have kids, do you? There is no way in the universe that I would leave my kids inside my self-driving car to be delivered to school. That, on the face of it, is also a ridiculous idea. It would be beyond irresponsible to leave kids in a car driving around town given that, well, shit happens.

I've got two five year olds, and I'd be fine with that. I don't see it as significantly different to a school bus, and kids in NYC walk or ride the subway around on their own all the time.

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