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"I can't tell you about it. If you can't see it then you'll just never know it. I feel sorry or you." This is a succinct summary of my own experiences. LSD basically makes you realize just how much of a slave you are to your own biology, and the kind of unrestrained thoughts it elicits cannot readily be translated to everyday frameworks. Nobody who's never tripped can comprehend what it's like to trip. Still, it can…

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Re: Veteran's Hospital LSD Testing (1956) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Safety is not much of a concern... If you're getting pure LSD, safety is not much of a concern. I would love to do acid again (did it by mistake once), but my concern is that because it's illegal, there's no way to know what you're getting is pure LSD. Sketchy dealers or bad chemists can result in a product that gives you a bad trip.

Well people won't cut LSD, they would just sell blotter with a smaller dose on it. And since LSD doses are very small to begin with, any byproduct would be such a small amount that it hardly could have any effect. What you might get though is NBOMe (and less common DOB) instead of LSD. They don't feel as profound and have more risks associated with them, but that can be alleviated by buying from a trusted dark net ve…

This used to be true but is not anymore, look at the following warning erowid has added on its LSD vault and LSD FAQ.

NOTE: Some blotter and liquid LSD being sold in 2013 in the Americas and Europe actually contained NBOMe compounds such as 25I-NBOMe. These chemicals are active under one milligram, but can cause strong effects even on a single 1/4" (6mm) square. The blotter or liquid with NBOMe compounds is usually identifiably bitter, where LSD-containing liquid or blotter has a very mild metallic flavor or no flavor at all.

ADULTERANTS:

[Erowid Note 2014: Note that the following section is no longer accurate as of 2010. Please see Spotlight on NBOMes: Potent Psychedelic Issues for a little discussion of other substances now commonly sold on blotter. The Erowid Crew now estimates that there are over a dozen different chemicals sold on blotter the same size and styles as "acid-style blotters" of the past. These include NBOMes, NBOHs, etizolam, phenazepam, AL-LAD, LSZ, Bromo-Dragonfly, DOM, DOC, DOI, and others.]

Re: Veteran's Hospital LSD Testing (1956) [video]

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When I see videos like this, or read other experiences of LSD, I wonder if I'm not missing out on something. LSD, uniquely amongst mainstream recreational drugs, seems to have the promise of an outright transcendental upside, with supposedly little downside. It saddens me that there is no safe and legal way for me to try it.

Is there really little downside? Anecdotally, I've heard from friends in the jamband scene about friends who did LSD who came back "completely changed , and not in a good way."

Psychoactive drugs are no joke. The psychedelic kind hold the potential of a life changing experience, LSD is one of those.

LSD is quite safe relatively to others psychoactive but this is not to be confused with the effects from the psychedelic experience. When you get to perceive things differently, be exposed to different views of the world and yourself, get a different outlook on things. Well yes, change can occur and last, sometimes for a lifetime.

And frequent abusers of LSD are known to develop a sort of holier than you personality as they develop the illusion of having superior knowledge and understanding.

Re: Veteran's Hospital LSD Testing (1956) [video]

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That cuts both ways - people can equally say "I was able to because I never took ." Without some objective data, there's no way to attribute the abilities and accomplishments to the absence or presence of LSD.

Crick developed his understanding of the structure of LSD during an LSD trip. Steve Jobs developed an active aversion to buttons during one of his LSD trips. These were merely two examples of direct counterpoints to the GGP post. These weren't concepts that were enabled indirectly by LSD; they were the direct results of the LSD trips, not cases of "I was able/not able to do because I took/never took ".

Strawman. While those stories MAY be true, it's equally valid to posit that those discoveries/thoughts may well have happened otherwise, too.

Just like all the things that have been discovered while not on LSD, for example.

Re: Veteran's Hospital LSD Testing (1956) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crick developed his understanding of the structure of LSD during an LSD trip. Steve Jobs developed an active aversion to buttons during one of his LSD trips. These were merely two examples of direct counterpoints to the GGP post. These weren't concepts that were enabled indirectly by LSD; they were the direct results of the LSD trips, not cases of "I was able/not able to do because I took/never took ".

Strawman. While those stories MAY be true, it's equally valid to posit that those discoveries/thoughts may well have happened otherwise, too. Just like all the things that have been discovered while not on LSD, for example.

I think you're confusing a "straw man argument" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man ) with "anectdotal evidence" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence ). I never claimed anything but anectdotal evidence, as I presented three separate cases of anectdotal evidence as direct contradictions to the original post. These examples are, indeed, direct contradictions to the original post. The original author then edited their post to add the bit about possible therapeutic properties of the drug, but the original content stated categorically that LSD did not contribute to any significant development in people that took it, and I presented three counterpoints, two of which claim that their insights came while on the drug, as a direct consequence of the drug's effects on the mind.

In either case, the additional edit stating "that everyone should do it for no particular reason except curiosity" was not in the original post, and is something that nobody here, as far as I can tell, is promoting. LSD, like psilocybin, is a powerful drug, and should be respected as such.

Re: Veteran's Hospital LSD Testing (1956) [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well people won't cut LSD, they would just sell blotter with a smaller dose on it. And since LSD doses are very small to begin with, any byproduct would be such a small amount that it hardly could have any effect. What you might get though is NBOMe (and less common DOB) instead of LSD. They don't feel as profound and have more risks associated with them, but that can be alleviated by buying from a trusted dark net ve…

This used to be true but is not anymore, look at the following warning erowid has added on its LSD vault and LSD FAQ. NOTE: Some blotter and liquid LSD being sold in 2013 in the Americas and Europe actually contained NBOMe compounds such as 25I-NBOMe. These chemicals are active under one milligram, but can cause strong effects even on a single 1/4" (6mm) square. The blotter or liquid with NBOMe compounds is usually i…

But that's the very thing I have written. Those blotter with NBOMe will have no LSD on them and I haven't heard of any that has NBOMe in addition to the LSD either.

So if you buy from a trusted source (a product with lots of reviews on a dark net market) you can be rather sure that you are getting what you ordered.

There is also the option to use a test kit.

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_testing3.shtml

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