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"The guy that produces 10x the normal amount of production for his job isn't having his pay thwarted by any "sociopaths"" While it suits the company to identify and retain the productive, management's incentive is to minimally reward producers. Productive losers are, by definition, not those who will take a risk to ensure maximal compensation. Their wages are therefore easy pickings for a sociopath manager who is wil…
Have you managed or employed people? I ask because paying people well is a bit counterintuitive , but most owners and managers figure it out pretty quickly. Paying more than minimally typically increases morale, loyalty, and retention. Sometimes you wind up working for an oblivious or sociopathic boss - but then you need to go apply for another job elsewhere. It's like if the closest restaurant to your house is no go…
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The guy that produces 10x the normal amount of production for his job isn't having his pay thwarted by any "sociopaths"" While it suits the company to identify and retain the productive, management's incentive is to minimally reward producers. Productive losers are, by definition, not those who will take a risk to ensure maximal compensation. Their wages are therefore easy pickings for a sociopath manager who is wil…
Have you managed or employed people? I ask because paying people well is a bit counterintuitive , but most owners and managers figure it out pretty quickly. Paying more than minimally typically increases morale, loyalty, and retention. Sometimes you wind up working for an oblivious or sociopathic boss - but then you need to go apply for another job elsewhere. It's like if the closest restaurant to your house is no go…
"Sometimes you wind up working for an oblivious or sociopathic boss - but then you need to go apply for another job elsewhere."
The author's term 'productive loser' is defined by the unwillingness to accept risk to ensure maximal compensation. If you agree that the willingness to take such risks is required, I'm not sure that you're truly at odds with the author's original statement.
Further, your 'upper management' examples all live at the 'sociopath' level of the author's corporate pyramid. Sociopaths are eager to pay other talented sociopaths fairly, because they know that they must.
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#14This is the first blog post that's ever been good enough that I donated to the author merely for having written it. Both brilliant textual analysis and insightful social commentary - definitely worth the read. Or maybe I'm just constructing my delusional world to justify having spent $3 on a public blog post!
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#15Was that the wind in the weatherstripping, or Nietzche's ghost howling?
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#16"Protestant Ethic will-to-power". Was that the wind in the weatherstripping, or Nietzche's ghost howling?
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#17That makes all kinds of crazy sense.
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#18I think a lot of really talented engineers in Silicon Valley fit into a kind of hybrid category I might call 'loser with sociopathic tendencies' (gotta love these terms--hey, I didn't invent them, I'm just following the article). Although they deliberately choose to remain at the 'loser' level in terms of the org chart, they have a 'sociopathic' level of awareness of how the business operates (maybe from being an early employee or founder of previous startups). They're never truly comfortable at the 'loser' level, but maybe not willing or capable of making a move to the 'sociopath' level, and consciously avoid the 'clueless' level (which I think they eventually enter anyway, even if they avoid becoming managers, by entering some kind of 'emeritus' engineering position).
The article suggests that Toby might be in this category, which I didn't think fit at first, but maybe it does--this type of person seemed to me to generally be laconic, cultivated a high degree of irony about the nature of the organization and their role within it, and usually carried an 'escape plan' as a prominent part of their mental outlook (based on either past actual or future fantasized stock option earnings) --all quite similar to the Toby character.
I also think there's a type of person who views anyone at the 'sociopath' level as being inherently morally corrupt, and therefore preemptively excludes him/herself from ever reaching that level, even if they'd otherwise be capable of it. I don't think this is a correct view; the 'sociopath' type may just be the type of person who is more willing to face the full reality of how the business is run and make tough decisions that involve firing and so on. For example, even in the show I don't think the David Wallace character is portrayed as being particularly corrupt. Ryan, on the other hand, is purely selfish and greedy for power--but this actually causes him to fail at the higher levels (which I think often happens in real life as well).
(By the way, in case it's not obvious, I'm trying to use these terms in the sense they're defined in the article--I don't mean them to be truly pejorative to anyone operating at any of these levels.)
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#20This is a pretty amazing analysis. I think a lot of really talented engineers in Silicon Valley fit into a kind of hybrid category I might call 'loser with sociopathic tendencies' (gotta love these terms--hey, I didn't invent them, I'm just following the article). Although they deliberately choose to remain at the 'loser' level in terms of the org chart, they have a 'sociopathic' level of awareness of how the busines…