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I use my thinkpad on my lap all the time. Since I installed the ssd, I can't even remember the last time I heard the fan run.
Try Minecraft with a render distance of sixteen chunks.
Or 32 chunks in minecraft 1.8.
Why I Drilled Holes in My MacBook Pro and Put It in the Oven
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$40 a year in a savings account isn't going to net you much.
No, but consider all of the things that you might insure - appliances and electronics. Now take the total cost of insuring them and put it in a bank account. In the case that one of them breaks, the savings will likely cover that replacement. Chance are none of them will break. Do the same thing next year. Not only to you make a little interest, you have all of last year's left-over premiums.
Almost everything I would want to insure as far as appliances and electronics go are already covered by my renters policy, if you do not have a renters policy go get one, right now, mine is only $10/mo with state farm (including an additional addendum to cover up to $10K in personal electronics).
Of course, there's a $500 deductible on that, but the things I expect to happen that would cause me to file a claim on my policy are likely to end up with a lot more damage than that.
My laptop and personal assets I carry when I travel are an entirely different story, a $500 deductible if my duplex burned down or an electrical storm fried every device in my house is pretty acceptable, but that's over 1/3 of the value of the things that go into my laptop bag. Considering I've already had a car broken into and only recovered $200 after my $500 renters deductible a personal assets policy would be well worth it to me if it cost $10/mo.
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> ever again I don't understand this claim. They are still calling hot devices laptops today . Do you mean that at some point in the future they will stop, and then they will never again call these devices laptops?
I don't think Apple ever calls any of their machines 'laptops' – that's the point.
Apple stopped using the word 'laptop' when they were still struggling with trying to put a G5 in a portable computer that didn't require jet engine fans.
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#234I've said it before and I'll say it again: while the "giant aluminum heatsink" idea generally works pretty well for the MacBooks and has for some time, it's not the same as if Apple were to really fix the thermal engineering in their machines: The machines could run downright cool if only Apple were to steal some ideas from Lenovo and Asus. As a side benefit, Apple could begin referring to the machines as "laptops" a…
To your second point, I doubt anyone will call anything a laptop ever again unless it runs at or below room temperature. There is a volume of evidence[0] that hot objects placed on the male genitals for an extended period of time can have a negative impact on fertility (and who knows what else, e.g. birth defects? Since it is likely damaging the semen). The liability issues are just too great. We're talking class act…
I've also wondered about the effect of heated car seats male fertility - seems like a class action suit waiting to happen.
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right...except for the tens of thousands of people with the 2011 machine experiencing heat related damage to the GPU. Your study size of one doesn't 'go to show' anything at all regarding the MacBooks thermal performance. It shows that you yourself haven't experienced any issues but that's where it ends. I for instance have a 2010 i7 MacBook Pro and it will spin up and get ridiculously hot (too hot to touch) simply w…
You are right. I just wanted to share my personal experience, my English writing is not good enough to express that intention... Also, I didn't notice the MBP in the article is a 2011 model, mine is mid-2012, so I guess I can't compare those.
The chips in the 2012 are significantly cooler running than the 2011. IIRC, the chips in the 2011 models were the first generation Sandy Bridges.
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#236My early 2011 MBP has had one logic board replaced so far at my own expense a short while after AppleCare expired. This site has been compiling relevant information to those experiencing the same problem, and the #mbp2011 hashtag on Twitter is also a good resource for those affected: http://mbp2011.org/ https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mbp2011
Here in Europe Apple is replacing affected logics for free with consumer law claims. The are only two conditions: 1. you need to have the original receipt 2. it must be a non business purchase (so you must be a consumer)
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#237 I wonder if it's worth the effort sure it may reflow solder if it's hot enough but the high temp lead-free solder or whatever Apple uses may require very high temperatures to get it to melt even a bit.
I've changed enough capacitors on power supplies to know the damn things have solder that's practically indestructible, our old Pace solder station iron cranked to something like 850F and still I'm sitting there 5 or 10 minutes cursing it all the time, and nine more caps to go x two leads each.
Plus that heat would degrade the life of components too so who knows if it's ever worth it. But I guess cheaper than spending thousands on a new Macbook Pro.
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#238Reminds me of my parents' Sony Trinitron TV. The thing is 20 years old. From time to time TV starts misbehaving, they call up some local guy, who refreshes soldering on TV's internal components and the TV just works after that. Twenty years old - still can't believe this!
I bet it has a degause button too. I badly miss a good degaussing on a 32 inch+ monitor.
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#239I own the same laptop, I have it for about 2.5 years now and never experienced such temperatures. During a normal workday, (programming, compiling, git etc) I never once heard the fans spin up. I have a BookArc[1] laptop stand, which is about the worst possible way to keep a running MBP (lid closed, fan slots pointing down) and even with lots of gaming, I have never experienced any problems. Yes, I do clean the fans…
I just use them on my lap and have never had heat problems with any of my macbooks. Before I bought my first macbook air I wrote a program on the console that slammed the CPU and left it running at the apple store. When I came back a few hours later the program was still running (100% CPU on all cores) and the machine was still cool to the touch. I then purchased the laptop.
> I just use them on my lap and have never had heat problems with any of my macbooks.
Yes, but have you ever specifically had a 2011 MBP like in the article? It's a very specific set of models that have the heat issue.
Mine could easily hit 90C under load (it just bricked itself last week). Which mean it was quite hot to the touch. After I changed the thermal compound, it would hit the low 80s (C) at peak, but even then, it was quite hot.
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#240My early 2011 MBP has had one logic board replaced so far at my own expense a short while after AppleCare expired. This site has been compiling relevant information to those experiencing the same problem, and the #mbp2011 hashtag on Twitter is also a good resource for those affected: http://mbp2011.org/ https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mbp2011
tbh if this is the GPU, then this is prob an AMD and nVidia problem with using cheap solder on their daughterboards. I remember a rash of manufacturers, sony, asus, etc having this sort of issue. I'm kind of leery of discrete gpu's in laptops these days, esp when the Haswell on-board one is good enough for most of what I do.
The issue isn't that EU-mandated tin-alloy solders are cheap, it's that the solder balls aren't solid and non-lead solders are brittle. For components that don't undergo constant radical thermal shifts, this is a nonissue. For the only ball grid array-mounted component on the board (the GPU), this is a recipe for eventual failure.
If the balls were factory tested for solidity this would become far less of an issue. Industry papers on the manufacture of solder balls indicate they are not; when those balls were lead, it didn't matter because lead's not thermally brittle.